tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post5279593946361763868..comments2023-09-22T10:31:03.940-07:00Comments on CODOH Watch: Who Created The 'Hoax'? Inquiring Minds Are Still None The WiserSergey Romanovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04063444062099331337noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-19122147315694877972006-06-22T08:19:04.116-07:002006-06-22T08:19:04.116-07:00Okay, so I'm a glutton for punishment...Armed ...Okay, so I'm a glutton for punishment...Armed with aspirin today, I read through this also...<br><br>It never ceases to amaze me how little substance one finds in the answers to this question whether it's been asked at AHF, RODOH, or Hargis' Cyber-Wewelsburg Circle-Jerk.Xcaliburhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07865267538630886022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-2098026992560203062006-06-22T09:46:14.840-07:002006-06-22T09:46:14.840-07:00Nick, shoot me an email when you've got a minu...Nick, shoot me an email when you've got a minute,I've got a question...<br><br>levisbrc@aol.comXcaliburhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07865267538630886022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-50899642372269517682006-06-22T12:17:39.350-07:002006-06-22T12:17:39.350-07:00did you get?did you get?Nick Terryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852758011968360596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-6412103996083462852006-06-22T13:12:27.110-07:002006-06-22T13:12:27.110-07:00Yes, thx... Replying now...Yes, thx... Replying now...Xcaliburhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07865267538630886022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-21662823535767920732006-06-23T09:58:27.750-07:002006-06-23T09:58:27.750-07:00Well, I would ask the same question of neo-Nazis a...Well, I would ask the same question of neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in The History Channel. I would ask them to present their narrative of what really happened in Europe from 1933 to 1945, and explain to me who organized the Holohoax, and how it was done. If such a great effort was made to forge documents, make people disappear or be silent, and create whole faked atrocities, faked photos, sham trials, coerced confessions, phone eyewitnesses, and so on, who did it? Specifically?<br><br>Where are the hidden operators who performed all these feats? Who directed this campaign. Where was it based? Which authority? Since this conspiracy has held over 60 years, how was it passed down from generation to generation to ensure continued compliance all around the world? Who were the Canadian, British, French, New Zealand, Japanese, and Falkland Island authorities to ensure continued compliance? How were all the wartime Nazis and their descendants kept silent for 60 years? How were those who took part in the conspiracy kept silent? What about their families and descendants?<br><br>Where is the paper trail for this conspiracy? How was it accomplished without a single memo?<br><br>And finally, if this conspiracy is so complete, so well-organized, and so perfect, why did they leave so many holes? Why didn't they forge the written order from Hitler to Himmler and other important documents? Why did they fail to wring confessions out of so many key Nazis? Why didn't they notarize Anne Frank's diary, or better yet, keep her alive to say, "Yup, I wrote this?"<br><br>Why did they let Bormann disappear and Eichmann and Mengele escape to Argentina? Why did it take the Israelis 25 years to find Eichmann, if they control the world? Why did they let Himmler, Ley, and Goering kill themselves without leaving behind a full confession? Why didn't they get one out of Rudolf Hess?<br><br>If the whole thing was to create a State of Israel subsidized by American dollars, why did they do such a lousy job, creating a truncated state surrounded by hostile neighbors? Why didn't they simply have Israel invade and conquer the whole Middle East, take over the oil supplies, and ensure high prices for the oil barons and bankers?<br><br>So I would ask these questions, and the answer I got was personal attack, vitriol, veiled threats about my home and job, taunting, and insults.<br><br>The reality is, they have no such narrative. And they know know damned well the Holocaust really happened. What they want to do is change that narrative from being a horrific act of mass murder and genocide into being the heroic Aryan race protecting itself from a tribe of subhuman and sneaking conspiratorial banker/Communists, by exterminating the Jewish menace just as it was rearing up its ugly head to wreck humanity. They want the concentration camps to become memorials to the guards, the commandant and Hitler, the Jews to become extinct, and history to say it was all heroic, justified, and necessary.<br><br>In short, it didn't happen, but the Jews got what they deserved. And anyone who disagrees with that idea gets death threats.<br><br>It's a topsy-turvy world in Holocaust denial, and a scary and depressing one.Kiwiwriterhttp://www.worldwariiplus55.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-37357817867397028992006-06-25T00:53:18.943-07:002006-06-25T00:53:18.943-07:00This implies that the Hoax is monolithic instead o...This implies that the Hoax is monolithic instead of comprised of converging interests; these interests might align, breakaway and realign in the flux of modern politics and still remain true to the Faith. But a conspiracy from inside smoke-filled ivory halls is no more needed here than any other political or social movement, because that is a post hoc rationalization.<br><br>Basically you have half the world that "conspired" to subjugate the rest, over six decades ago. Is it really any stretch that they needed to lie a bit to further their goals, to justify themselves, their actions and their policies, and to maintain the accomplishment in everlasting Memory?<br><br>Now the mythology has taken on an irrational and conformist mentality like medieval religion surrounded by a sea of Infidels and Nonbelievers. One either swallows the enchilda whole or it becomes Orwellian.<br><br>I don't see what is so hard to understand.<br><br>:-)Scott Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-87502199993594721172006-09-24T17:47:02.320-07:002006-09-24T17:47:02.320-07:00"This implies that the Hoax is monolithic ins..."This implies that the Hoax is monolithic instead of comprised of converging interests; these interests might align, breakaway and realign in the flux of modern politics and still remain true to the Faith. But a conspiracy from inside smoke-filled ivory halls is no more needed here than any other political or social movement, because that is a post hoc rationalization.<br><br>Basically you have half the world that "conspired" to subjugate the rest, over six decades ago. Is it really any stretch that they needed to lie a bit to further their goals, to justify themselves, their actions and their policies, and to maintain the accomplishment in everlasting Memory?<br><br>Now the mythology has taken on an irrational and conformist mentality like medieval religion surrounded by a sea of Infidels and Nonbelievers. One either swallows the enchilda whole or it becomes Orwellian.<br><br>I don't see what is so hard to understand."<br><br>Instead of rambling like everyone expected you to, answer the questions kiwiwriter asked! That is, of course, if you truly believe the holocaust didn't happen. The truth is, holocaust denial is a very poorly thought-out lie that will never be accepted into the mainstream media. 5-6 million Jews dissapeared without a trace during WW2. Take Aktion Reinhardt, for example. 1.7 million jews where murdered in Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka. The Denier's explanation is that they where transit camps where they where sent to "eastern territories." Unfortunately, that doesn't cut it. Displacing 1.7 million people would leave a HUGE paper trail complete with eyewitness testimony, railroad documents, and more. <br>-from SobeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-47450963755911951482006-12-08T09:52:55.663-08:002006-12-08T09:52:55.663-08:00Honestly, the question of how did the story surviv...Honestly, the question of how did the story survive is more puzzling than the validity of the story itself. Someone more informed could probably write a whole book on the subject. Considering the limited space (sorry that my posting is kind of long), here are some thoughts along with some questions that may have the same answers as your questions.<br><br>How did such a vast conspiracy happen? One possibility is that “…[it was] not organized centrally by any agency…[with] no blueprint … but [as] an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus….”. Of course the above quote is from Raul Hilberg explaining his views on how the Holocaust happened. If the extermination of millions can happen just with “an incredible meeting of the minds”, why not a war propaganda story that made it into the history books. <br><br>“Where is the paper trail for this conspiracy? How was it accomplished without a single memo?” I guess it’s not that crazy for people to ask the same question about a genocide of millions, especially considering that the Germans were notorious for their paper trail and their propensity for written orders.<br><br>Why didn’t Roosevelt, or Churchill, or their successors, or the Soviets including Khrushchev, or the West German authorities, or the holocaust historians, or even the former Nazis themselves do anything for about 4 decades to dispel the “Jewish soap” myth or the Nazi frame-up for the Katyn forest massacre? All of the above parties knew all along that both of those stories were bogus. <br><br>Was there a big conspiracy to keep the soap and Nazi guilt at Katyn alive for that long, who was responsible and how was it accomplished?<br><br>Someone may say that neither Roosevelt, Churchill, Truman, Eisenhower nor Stalin ever publicly endorsed those stories. Well, they never endorsed the gas chamber story either. <br><br>Why didn’t the Germans say anything in the years after the war? Hmm. Consider how easy it is to say anything now, 60 years later, when things are much calmer, just imagine then. The Germans are still displaying a ‘gas chamber’ in Dachau, even though no historian today believes that such a thing ever existed there.<br><br>We were lucky that some honest westerns researchers told us a few years after the war that the gassings stories in the West were mythical despite ‘confessions’, eyewitness testimonies etc. But we were not that lucky that the fate of the Polish ‘gas chambers’ was sealed behind the protective secrecy of the Iron Curtain long enough for the story to become an impenetrable dogma.<br><br>In the following 1986 statement of distinguished professor and former Mauthausen inmate Frenchman Michel de Bouard, consider how propaganda can become a myth and influence the thinking of honest people: "… in 1954, I spoke about gas chambers [at Mauthausen] twice….Where did I get the conviction that there was a gas chamber at Mauthausen? It was not during my stay in the camp, for neither myself nor anyone suspected there could be one; it is therefore an "extra" which I acquired after the war, admittedly…" [My emphasis]. If it was still in the history books that Mauthausen had a gas chamber I wonder if Mr. de Bouard would have come out publicly to say that it was not true.<br><br>History is replete with false stories that stayed around for years or even centuries. A combination of propaganda, fears, rumors, persecutions, taboos, political, religious and financial interests, and often a strong desire to want to believe it, all loosely can intertwine to create a lasting myth. <br><br>In this case, eventually we may blame it all on the Nazis as some did with the soap story. Two French-Jewish teachers laid the foundation for that in 1986: " the Nazis had faked their confessions, and only mentioned gas chambers in order to plant a delayed action 'bomb' against the Jews, an instrument of diversion and, why not, of blackmail.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-51339813399793253072006-12-08T12:24:42.190-08:002006-12-08T12:24:42.190-08:00(YAWN)(YAWN)Sergey Romanovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04663051223953105081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24200331.post-71759132478980251602007-01-25T08:58:02.986-08:002007-01-25T08:58:02.986-08:00This anecdote will not shed any light on the quest...This anecdote will not shed any light on the question at hand, that being, how such an alleged conspiracy has survived ardent scrutiny from members of academia the world over for 60 years running. It will, however, confirm that when asked point blank to explain the machinations of such a conspiracy, revisionists will turn tail and run.<br><br>During a Holocaust Seminar I attended for professors of History, a survivor who was addressing the audience was abruptly interrupted by a fellow who "crashed" the seminar and leapt onto the stage. To his credit, the gentleman who had been speaking turned over the microphone...convinced, I later found out, that such blatant ignorance should be given an open forum in which to self-destruct. <br><br>The audience's anger and outrage soon gave way to morbid curiosity as this pseudo-intellectual spun his tale of conspiracy the center of which were predictably, the Jews.<br><br>I believe the audience's open-minded reaction left our seminar "crasher" dumbfounded as he was persuaded to stay (actually blocked from exiting the stage by one of the organizers) and answer questions from members of the audience. <br><br>We managed to lull him into a false sense of security and I believe he thought he had persuaded a few of the educators present with his nonsensical diatribe because he seemed to relax and commandeered the microphone once again. <br><br>Before long, however, the inevitable question was posed. The speaker was asked to extrapolate on his conspiracy theory WITH a detailed account of how a group of people, no matter how powerful, could manipulate the rest of the world's population into believing that a genocide of such proportions had taken place. What methods had they employed to hoodwink free-thinking individuals? Such an undertaking would have to be intrepid indeed to convince a single country. How had it been able to convince a host of other nations as well? AND, even if possible, how had they been able to maintain complete secrecy? How was it that they had not suffered a single defection? An individual who, perhaps due to a disagreement with "the group," might opt to break ranks after 60 years and expose the whole shabang. Imagine the wealth and status that such a person could attain for finally offering up proof positive of the biggest historical hoax EVER perpetrated! Was this ring of conspirators totally void of greed, mercenary tendencies and desire for fame and fortune?<br><br>Needless to say, once forced to deviate from his well-rehearsed rote, he was exposed for what he was: a 40-something, thinly-veiled biggot and neo-nazi who had never bothered to research ANY historical event as a whole.<br><br>In a matter of minutes, he went from nothing more than a disruptive nuisance to being regarded as sublimely ridiculous. He was so easy a target that we toyed with him ad nauseum and after we'd had our fill, relegated him to the stature befitting such an individual...beneath contempt. The more he stammered and stumbled, the louder the sound of laughter from the audience became. <br><br>Ultimately and quite predictably, he ran off the stage and out of the room, shouting profanity as he did so.<br><br>After experiencing such a display, I say give them ALL a venue, preferably a "live" one, and allow the populace to hear what stupidity, hatred and down right ignorance sounds like! I daresay, even the most ardent skeptics will not wish to ally themselves with such rabble!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com