Updates on More Smear & Bitching

Update 1: See my RODOH posts 12163, 12164 and 12165

Update 2: Mr. Lisciotto's characteristic reaction [screenshot].

Question of the day: could it be that renowned Holocaust researcher Chris Webb doesn't know that his associate is barking mad? (That will cause said associate to put together another smear blog and/or a litany of fake comments on the current one, stay tuned.)

Update 3: See my RODOH posts 12189, 12190 and 12191.

Smear-blog-toting coward Carmelo Lisciotto is so predictable ...

More smear & bitching on CODOH (Part 1)

More smear & bitching on CODOH (Part 2)

More Smear & bitching on CODOH (Part 2)

More smear & bitching on CODOH (Part 1)

In his post of Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:34 am, occasional CODOH poster "Karl Radl" produced the following smear:

I apologise for going slightly off-topic, but I wished to add a short personal testimony about Roberto's 'habits'. When my wife went to Poland with a film crew nearly a year ago and Roberto claimed he was going to meet her at one of the Reinhardt camps [I forget which off hand] only for her (and the rest) to get stopped, detained and deported by the Polish police who knew she was coming, knew where she was going, why she was going there and more precisely her name [the former three things are ones that Roberto was one of the only person outside of our family and those we employed to knew about it (whom I have good reason to trust)]. Roberto also made an attempt to claim she 'threatened him' (specifically when he claimed that she was 'going to get him beaten up by skinheads') and our attorney advised her after reading his message that he was angling for a dubious comment or two for him to sue her (as myself and my wife are not poor).

Roberto then claimed she didn't show and that he had won the bet/challenge. You can't prove it was him tipping off the Polish authorities, but it is one of those bits of circumstantial evidence that are suggestive as opposed to conclusive.

These claims are obviously related to my trip to Sobibor from 14 to 16 October 2008. On 15 October I was supposed to meet there with my old friend Greg Gerdes and with a lady who posted on the VNN thread Archaeological Investigations of Treblinka as "Eireann Goddess" (hereinafter "EG"). This lady is obviously the "wife" that "Karl Radl" is referring to.

Neither Gerdes nor EG showed up for our appointment, as I pointed out in my VNN post 1525, written on 16.10.2008 from Wlodawa, Poland.

Greg Gerdes, despite the threatening invective he had sent my way and his bigmouthed challenge to German authorities (see his post 1514: "I publicly challenge the P.O.S. Stasi bastards in Gewmany to put out an arrest warrant for me - ala Toben. Got that you shabbas goy MF's? I DARE YOU.") eventually got cold feet and decided to stay at home. In his post 1521 he claimed that fear of being apprehended had prompted his decision:

Boy, someone would have to be really really stupid to actually think that I would go to Europe after what happened to Toben.

But wait, slamin sam is really really stupid.

Uhmmmm, never mind.

EG, whose last message prior to my trip to Sobibor was her post 1499 (to which I responded in my post 1506), didn't give any reasons for not having shown up. In fact I never heard of her again.

Neither in EG's aforementioned post nor in any previous post that I remember did EG reveal her identity, so it's a mystery to me how I am supposed to have known her name, as "Karl Radl" claims.

As to the "beaten up by skinheads" – thing, KR must be referring to my VNN post 1492, where in response to EG's post 1482 I wrote the following (emphasis added):

Trying to scare me off, baby?

You should have come up with a better story, then. Like some of your NS thugs waiting for me on site to cut my throat. But then, even that wouldn’t impress me.

Of course I think you’re talking a lot of shit here. I don’t think you have contacts with the Polish government, let alone contacts who can assure you that you can’t be bothered for Holocaust denial. And while it seems plausible that you run around with a bunch of NS bodyguards, it’s rather hard to believe that you have an attorney in Poland or accompanying you on your trips into Poland. That is, unless you’re the spoilt rich kid of some Jew-hating moneybags like Willis Carto or the late Robert H. Countess. I also doubt that you are willing to forfeit your treasured anonymity, which you will have to do when meeting me.

But OK, let’s assume it’s not all just bullshit and you will actually be there. In that case I also assume that you will show your face on that video and duly identify yourself, for I won’t consent to being filmed by or together with an anonymous coward. I further assume that you will hand me a copy of that video, and that any public use you make thereof will require my prior consent, just like any public use I make of the video will require your prior consent. I also assume that you will hand me a copy of that video, and that any public use you make thereof will require my prior consent, just like any public use I make of the video will require your prior consent.

When we have properly introduced each other, we can go visit the site and photograph or film any bone fragments or other human remains we may come across. I don’t think the Polish government will object to photographing or filming such objects, provided that we leave them where they are, which of course is my intention. But if they have a problem with that, I’m sure museum director Marek Bern will tell us so and we’ll have to cancel that part of the program.

Needless to say, I don’t exclude the possibility that instead of EG & friends I will meet only a bunch of Polish skinheads or other scum with intentions against my life or personal integrity. It’s nothing that I would put beyond the bloodthirsty little thing. In case that happens, I’ll leave word with people I trust about who is to be held responsible for anything that might happen to me. It would be you as instigator, with Gerdes and PS as possible accomplices.

That said, I look forward to meeting you on 15.10.2008, 10 hours local time, at this place:

[photo of the Sobibor memorial entrance]

As becomes apparent from the above-quoted post, and as can be confirmed by the persons I left word with before departing, I did not know EG's identity at the time. I still don't. So there's no way I could have reported her to any Polish authorities, even if I had known what authorities to turn to and what to report to them, and if I had the inclination to hide from an appointment behind authorities (which, unlike Greg Gerdes, I don't have). As to EG’s supposed travel itinerary, all I knew was that "We will be near Sobibor on the 15th.", as EG had claimed in her post 1482.

All this suggests that KR is either lying or was lied to by his wife, if indeed EG is his wife.

A further indication of mendacity is EG's utter silence when I reported that she had not shown up and Slanim2 followed up with the following remark, in his post 1528:

Roberto kept his word and arrived on time, you showed yourself to be a liar, once again, I wonder what EG's excuse will be.

That would have been the time for EG to claim that she had been held up and turned back by Polish authorities, if indeed such had happened.

But the lady’s silence was deafening.

So the story that her supposed husband all of a sudden comes up with now, about 18 months after my trip to Sobibor, carries a distinct smell of fish, to say the least.

KR’s smear is followed up by some more of jnovitz/lgr’s bitching, which I don't think I need to comment anymore after having shown our readers that the fellow is a inveterate liar. If the resentful old fart should feel like "poking fun" about me at some other place, I'll find out soon enough and go there to pull his bunny ears a little more. As to the petition he is mouthing off about, it is this one:

A Petition to the German Legislator

The more of our readers sign it, the bigger the chance that it will one day go where it is meant to go.

More smear & bitching on CODOH (Part 1)

Kevin Barrett's invitation to a radio debate with Mr. "Dalton" launched some bitching fish-wives on the CODOH Cesspit into an instructive festival of mendacious insinuations, paranoid and somewhat-less-than dishonest suspicions and downright lies about my humble person. In the following I shall have a look at these lowly characters' deplorable utterances, one by one.



First we have my good old friend "Drew J", who in his post of Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:22 am on the thread Dear Andrea Merkel: How much do Raul Hilberg and I owe you? let fly as follows:

Now that's interesting as Roberto has attacked Dalton so many times on his blog. You do know that Roberto will say, "I have already countered Dalton's points on the net so he has to respond to me first. Me not debating him is being turned into me being a chicken by him when he is the chicken for not responding to my posts to his work on my blog." And I think that there is something to this would be stance of Roberto's. I suspect Roberto will ONLY come onto Dalton's show if Dalton promises to let Roberto talk about the issues where he disagrees with Dalton that Roberto already brought up on his blog. After all, if presumably, Dalton never responded to Roberto's critiques, the radio would probably be an acceptable venue for Roberto if Dalton promised he'd deal with Roberto's counters on his blog straight on AND NOTHING ELSE on the radio show.

Actually I followed up my previous blog with the following mail to Kevin Barrett, sent on Wed, April 21, 2010 11:23:06 PM:

An invitation to Mr. "Thomas Dalton"
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Hi Mr. Barrett,

The above is the title of a blog I just wrote on the Holocaust Controversies blog under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/04/invitation-to-mr-thomas-dalton.html , after I learned of your claim to have invited me to a debate with Mr. "Thomas Dalton".

I don't remember having received any mail from you, but maybe I did and inadvertently deleted it because I thought it was spam (as I said in the blog, I only learned of your existence today). So if you did send me a mail, could you please forward it again for my records? Thanks!

As you seem to be in contact with Mr. "Dalton", I would also appreciate if you could inform him of my invitation in the aforementioned blog. Needless to say, you are also invited to have a chat with me on the Usenet, the RODOH Forum, the VNN forum or any other online venue of your choice, provided that I have access to such venue and debate there is not curtailed by a moderator like it is on the "CODOH Revisionist Forum". Just let me know when and where.

Best regards,

Roberto Muehlenkamp

Kevin’s reply, received on Thu, April 22, 2010 2:04:10 PM, was the following:

Fwd: radio invitation, re: holocaust revisionism debunking
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Hello Roberto,

Great to hear from you! Below is the message I sent Monday to robert.muehlenkamp@lis1.siemens.pt, webmaster@holocaust-history.org

I'm actually a free-speech-fanatic radio host and 9/11 revisionist, not a holocaust revisionist, and certainly not an online-forum debater on that topic! Since I posted the blog entry you saw, I got in touch with Andrew Mathis, who will rebut Dalton during the second hour of Saturday's show IF we can get him Dalton's book in time (working on it - the publisher will overnight him the book as soon as they get a snailmail address). Meanwhile, are you also available this Saturday, 11-midnight GMT, in case for some reason Andrew can't do it?

Sorry about the email address mixup. I probably should have invited you earlier, instead of concentrating my efforts on professors in Holocaust and Genocide Studies departments, which turned out to be a wild goose chase.

Thanks for getting in touch, and I hope you and/or Andrew will be able to join me for the second hour of Saturday's show.

Kevin

Begin forwarded message:

> Dear Roberto Muehlenkamp,
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> I noticed that you seem well-informed and willing and able to take on the Holocaust revisionists, and was wondering if you could rebut Thomas Dalton on my radio show this coming Saturday, April 24, 11-midnight GMT. My audience includes many people who are skeptical of all official stories, including those that are true, and Dalton's work has had an impact on some of these people. So I decided to invite Dalton for the first hour of my show, and then bring on someone to rebut him for the second hour. If you can't do that, I would be grateful if you would suggest someone who could.
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> Thanks!
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> Kevin
> Skype: DrKevinBarrett
> 608-579-1068
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> Kevin Barrett
> http://www.truthjihad.com
> Author, Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters: http://www.questioningthewaronterror.com
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Kevin Barrett
http://www.truthjihad.com
Author, Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters: http://www.questioningthewaronterror.com

Kevin had obviously realized that he had tried to contact me via the wrong e-mail addresses. Andrew Mathis had also contacted him about the radio show in the meantime, and Kevin was asking if I could also be available in case Andrew couldn’t make it. I responded as follows on Thu, April 22, 2010 3:49:41 PM (my comments to Kevin’s remarks are bolded so they can be distinguished more easily):

Re: Fwd: radio invitation, re: holocaust revisionism debunking
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Hi Kevin,

Please find below my replies to your e-mail after each paragraph.

Roberto
From: Kevin Barrett
To: Guadalupe Salcedo
Cc: Andrew Mathis
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 2:04:10 PM
Subject: Fwd: radio invitation, re: holocaust revisionism debunking

Hello Roberto,

Great to hear from you! Below is the message I sent Monday to robert.muehlenkamp@lis1.siemens.pt, webmaster@holocaust-history.org

First e-mail address ceased to exist a long time ago, and I was never an active member of THHP - all they got there from me is a translation, IIRC.

I'm actually a free-speech-fanatic radio host and 9/11 revisionist, not a holocaust revisionist, and certainly not an online-forum debater on that topic!

I'm sure you'll be glad to sign my petition text, then. You find it under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/02/petition-to-german-legislator.html

Since I posted the blog entry you saw, I got in touch with Andrew Mathis, who will rebut Dalton during the second hour of Saturday's show IF we can get him Dalton's book in time (working on it - the publisher will overnight him the book as soon as they get a snailmail address). Meanwhile, are you also available this Saturday, 11-midnight GMT, in case for some reason Andrew can't do it?

Sure, but how would you contact me in Portugal? I can give you my cell phone number, but calling me there will cost you a fortune. Another possibility would be Skype.

Sorry about the email address mixup. I probably should have invited you earlier, instead of concentrating my efforts on professors in Holocaust and Genocide Studies departments, which turned out to be a wild goose chase.

Better luck next time.

Thanks for getting in touch, and I hope you and/or Andrew will be able to join me for the second hour of Saturday's show.

I'll be on standby.

Kevin

Return message from Kevin, Thu, April 22, 2010 4:03:51 PM:

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Roberto,

Thanks for this.

I just signed your petition.

If you can provide me with a Skype name, American Freedom Radio will be able to use that to contact you at 11 pm GMT. Perhaps you and Andrew could come on together? (Andrew, we'll need a phone number or Skype handle for you.)

As I just informed Andrew, the Kindle edition of the book is available at http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=node%3D1293747011&field-keywords=debating+holocaust+dalton&x=0&y=0 Dalton says it's supposed to drop to 99 cents through the weekend, but last I looked it's still $1.99, which won't go very far in funding revisionism -- it would barely buy a revisionist a cup of coffee here in Wisconsin ;-)

Kevin

I replied by telling Kevin how he could contact me via Skype and requesting him and Andrew to confirm the current time in, respectively, Wisconsin and Philadelphia, so that their time would be correctly matched with mine tonight. Both confirmed and I sent the following message to Kevin on Thu, April 22, 2010 5:45:14 PM:

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17 hours your time, when you start interviewing "Dalton", is 23 hours my time. I'll be online at that time waiting for your call. If there should be any changes of plan please let me know asap, because I usually do other things on Saturday night.

Roberto

Kevin’s reply on Thu, April 22, 2010 6:54:36 PM was the following:

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Great! You're confirmed. AFR will Skype you at 18 hours my time, 24 hours your time. I appreciate your willingness to devote a Saturday night to this!

I'll soon be posting a notice about the show at http://www.truthjihadradio.blogspot.com If you want to send a short bio, feel free, otherwise I'll do my best.

Kevin

Andrew had in the meantime also confirmed his availability in principle for the time of the show, so Kevin sent another e-mail informing that he would schedule us both. I had one last question to Kevin, which I sent to him on Thu, April 22, 2010 7:07:38 PM:

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Why not 17 hours your time, 23 hours my time?

Please excuse me if I'm not understanding something, but am I not supposed to listen to your interview with Mr. "Dalton" and then comment his statements?

Kevin’s clarification on Thu, April 22, 2010 7:29:48 PM settled the matter:

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Sorry -- you should indeed listen to the first hour, beginning at 23 hours your time, by clicking the "listen live" button at http://www.americanfreedomradio.com

As the second hour guests, you and Andrew will get the call from the network at 24 hours your time. Dalton will be off the line, and you both will be on the line, throughout the second hour.

You will not be going head-to-head with Dalton -- though if everyone agrees, we could schedule that kind of show in the future. For now, I think the differences between the two positions will be more clearly articulated without the kinds of interruptions and back-and-forths that would happen with four people on the line at the same time.

Kevin

As our readers can see, I made no conditions whatsoever as concerns the contents or topics of the show. Drew J's wishful thinking again got the better of him. I’ll be listening to what Dalton has to say starting 11 hours GMT tonight, then receive a Skype call from American Freedom Radio and respond to Kevin’s questions and/or comment on the remarks of Mr. "Dalton", whatever is on Kevin's program. Unlike certain persons I always keep my appointments.

The next bitching fish-wife on the CODOH thread thread Dear Andrea Merkel: How much do Raul Hilberg and I owe you? is "jnovitz", who is obviously identical with the repulsive troll who posted on the RODOH forum under many aliases, last as "little grey rabbit". This deplorable fellow is obviously concurring for some "compulsive liar and paranoid wacko of the year" – award in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land with the smear he sends my way in his posts of Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:13 am and Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:21 am.

From the post of Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:13 am:

There is a good reason why Roberto Muehlenkamp is not allowed on here. He has been caught using adobe acrobat to manipulate screenshots, rountinely misrepresents quotes from printed books, he has been known to attempt to contact employers of internet revisionists to denounce them and may have been involved in the effort to introduce some faked historical material into the deathcamps.org website.

There are no less than 4 lies in this relatively short paragraph.

Lie # 1: "caught using adobe acrobat to manipulate screenshots". What is true is that jnovitz/little gray rabit insistently accused me of having manipulated screenshots, did so on various RODOH threads (Escape from ARC (merge) with understanding Convergence, Understanding Convergence: Eastern European Jews and History as Instrument: Take III and This little Drew J freak seems to be really pissed about me …, among others) and ended up withdrawing with his tail between his legs (or rather his bunny years) after I conclusively demonstrated the imbecility of his accusation in the posts linked to in my post 12150. His nevertheless continuing to peddle this accusation, moreover on a forum that he well knows I have no access to, is further evidence that jnovitz/lgr is the lowliest of scum and that lying comes to him as naturally as breathing.

The same goes for lie # 2: "routinely misrepresents quotes from printed books". Actually there was but one instance in which jnovitz/lgr accused me of having misrepresented a quote from a book, and that accusation was swiftly and conclusively slapped around his ears (see my RODOH posts 12000, 12069 and 12070), whereupon jnovitz/lgr obviously decided to focus on the "screenshot manipulation" nonsense instead.

Lie # 3: "he has been known to attempt to contact employers of internet revisionists to denounce them" is one of this character's older deliberate distortions of facts. What actually happened was that jnovitz/lgr (then writing as "Lamb Supreme" on RODOH) had claimed to be a person by the name of David Phillips, working with the renowned law firm Herbert Smith. I decided to check that claim and thus wrote the following to said law firm, on Mon, February 26, 2007 6:31:11 PM:

Mr. David Phillips
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Dear Sirs,

My name is Roberto Muehlenkamp, and I am a German citizen domiciled in Portugal.

I am writing to you in my capacity as a moderator of a historical discussion forum that you may find under http://p102.ezboard.com/brodohforum . I thought it might interest you to know that a rather unpleasant character, a Holocaust denier posting under the alias «Lamb Supreme», among others, has claimed to be one of your attorneys or solicitors, by the name of David Phillips.

As I believe this to be a false claim, I hereby kindly ask you to forward this message to Mr. David Phillips, in case you have an attorney or solicitor by that name, so that he may contact me and clear up this matter. Should there be no David Phillips at Herbert Smith LLP, your communication in this sense will be sufficient clarification.

«Lamb Supreme» first claimed to be Mr. David Phillips at Herbert Smith in his post # 11 under [HTML tag edited out]http://p102.ezboard.com/frodohforumfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=1573.topic&start=21&stop=39 . He repeated the claim in his post # 73 under http://p102.ezboard.com/Will-our-chief-troll-Lamb-Supreme-/frodohforumfrm25.showMessage?topicID=414.topic .

I thank you very much for your attention and remain,

With my best regards,
Roberto Muehlenkamp

Some time after this message, on Wed, March 7, 2007 11:14:08 AM, I received the following e-mail from the real David Phillips, who obviously appreciated my having pointed out that "Lamb Supreme" was falsely claiming to be him:

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Dear Mr Muehlenkamp,

My name is David Phillips. I am a solicitor at Herbert Smith solicitors in London.

I have recently been passed your email, concerning claims on your website by a poster named "Lamb Supreme" that he is in fact me.

This is completely untrue. I have no idea who "Lamb Supreme" is, or why he is claiming to be me. I have no idea whatsoever how he has found my name, or why he is now claiming to be me.

I should be grateful if you post a message on your site, explaining that I have contacted you and making the following statement :

"My name is David Phillips, a solicitor with the firm of Herbert Smith in London. It has been brought to my attention that someone under the name of "Lamb Supreme" has been posting messages on this site, falsely claiming to be from me. This is absolutely false. I do not know who "Lamb Supreme" is, nor do I know how he has got hold of my name. These posts are absolutely nothing to do with me. Please ignore any further posts from this person in the future."

I would kindly ask you not to post my email address on the site.

Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.

David

Both messages were at the time posted on the RODOH, on a thread I'll try to find when I have time (the links in my former mail were broken when that thread was moved by a moderator).

So much for my "attempt to contact employers of internet revisionists to denounce them".

Lie # 4: "may have been involved in the effort to introduce some faked historical material into the deathcamps.org website", relates to another of jnovitz/lgr’s idiotic insinuations, expressed in his RODOH post 2820.

The reply to this nonsense in my post 12038 was short and simple:

While lgr goes looking for a new shrink - the current one seems to have failed - , readers are again invited to read the story of the Escape from Sobibor DVD shot passed off as an authentic photograph in this blog:

On the demise of deathcamps.org: how fakes and arrogance killed a great undertaking

In the blog I linked to, as our regular readers will remember, my fellow blogger Sergey Romanov had exposed the carelessness of Mr. Chris Webb, webmaster of the site http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/, that had led this gentleman to fall for a still from the movie "Escape from Sobibor" passed off as a contemporary photo of the Treblinka "tube" by a certain "Andy Schmidt".

The lame comment of jnovitz/lgr ("Well, whoever it was, it was very naughty."), followed by his aforementioned "distortion" accusation or a repetition thereof, can be read in the fellow’s post 2822. The subsequent comment by the poster KentFord9 in his post 3686 shows that Im not the only RODOH poster familiar with jnovitz/lgr's tricks:

This individual reader judges that the bunny remains the lying bunny he has always been, his attempted smear job stopped as dead in its tracks as his 12 man squad in Lithuania. Nice job, Roberto, exposing the charlatan once again.

Having thus shown how jnovitz/little gray rabbit managed to pack four filthy lies into one relatively short paragraph, I turn to the fellow's subsequent paranoid and also somewhat-less-than-honest accusations in his aforementioned two CODOH posts:

Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:13 am:

He, or more likely associates of him, are also suspects for deathcamps.org and H.E.A.R.T being infected with malicious spyware that has them blocked by google at the moment, doubtless a huge and undeserved embarrassment to the legitimate and ethical owners of those domains
Currently if you go to either those sites you are likely to get a "blocked page"

Reported Attack Page!
This web page at www.deathcamps.org has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.

Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.

Given Roberto Muehlenkamp and friends have engaged in a prolonged campaign of internet vilification against these two sites and their owners, to me they seem likely suspects.

In otherwords, by all means wind up Roberto Muehlenkamp, it is a harmless and entertaining sport, but it is pointless to debate someone so dishonest and with so little intellectual integrity. And I think it is a good idea not to do it here.

I should add, my suggestion that Roberto Muehlenkamp has some association with the breaching of the security of the two domains deathcamps.org and holocaustreseachproject.org is only suspicion, based nothing more than past observation of his unscrupulous nature.

Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:21 am:

BUT, I should add also, I visit both sites quite regularly and the first I came aware of it was after Roberto Muehlenkamp mentioned it on the internet saying this
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Mr. L should contact Google about the site he brags so much about, by the way. I get warning messages when trying to access that site today, like the following:"
ie almost as soon as the infection occurred, Roberto was aware of it. Even more suspiciously it occurred very soon ( a few days) someone with very vague association to H.E.A.R.T published an internet rankings comparison showing that H.E.A.R.T massively outranked Holocaust Controversies blog.

The infection happened literally a few days later. You draw your own conclusions.

Actually I wouldn’t put it past H.E.A.R.T.'s Carmelo Lisciotto to have created said infection himself as a means of smearing his perceived opponents, considering his history of fake smear blogs and other dishonest behavior documented in Sergey Romanov’s series H.E.A.R.T. (holocaustresearchproject.org) exposed, especially the blogs H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods and H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods (cont.). Links to further examples of this behavior have been posted today by Lisciotto's alter ego "Herodotus2010.rodoh" in his RODOH posts 74 and 75. Thanks for helping me make my point, Mr. Lisciotto!

As to what jnovitz/lgr calls a "prolonged campaign of internet vilification against these two sites and their owners", I repeat what I told Lisciotto, in response to one of the boringly repetitive smear posts he has lately filled the RODOH forum's "Siberian Exile" section with, in my post 12122:

The poor fellow keeps repeating the "vehemently hate www.holocaustresearchproject.org" and "conspiratorial concerted effort" nonsense, thereby confiming my characterization of him as a paranoid monomaniac.

Actually the articles collected here were the work of Sergey Romanov alone, and as anyone reading them will recognize they were related to the less-than-commendable behavior of H.E.A.R.T.'s founding fathers. A period of two and a half years between the series of articles starting on 30.10.2006 and ending on 14.04.2007 on the one hand and the article of 20.11.2009 on the other furthermore suggests that H.E.A.R.T. isn't exactly one of the author's priorities. Get a life, Mr. L.

The RODOH thread in which I wrote the above also contains my posts 12126 and 12127, in which I called Lisciotto's attention to the problems that the http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ and http://www.deathcamps.org// sites were having. Regarding the latter I asked Lisciotto to try and fix those problems quickly:

As ARC is still a good site (thanks to great researcher Webb's exceptionally wise decision to freeze it after he had appropriated it instead of ruining it with "Andy Schmidt" fakes), that is really a shame.

I would therefore appreciate if you could contact Google and fix the problem asap, Mr. L. Thanks in advance!

No irony there, as I sometimes link to http://www.deathcamps.org// now that http://www.death-camps.org/ (the mirror site that used to be maintained by other former members of the ARC research group after Webb appropriated the original site) is no longer online. I last did so in my blog Belzec Mass Graves and Archaeology - Continuation (2), IIRC. Maybe jnovitz/lgr can explain why I should have tried to damage a site that I use as a source, if I had the manipulative inclinations he is obviously projecting onto me plus the computer skills required to bring about such infection. Actually my abilities in this respect do not go beyond using standard programs from a user perspective. I don't know if any of my "associates" (jnovitz/lgr must be referring to my fellow HC bloggers) has such skills, but my ability to judge a person’s character would be a very bad one if any of them descended to the level of Lisciotto-style manipulations.

Differences in ideology aside (jnovitz/lgr is a Holocaust denier of a particularly lunatic variety that even denies the existence of crematoria at Auschwitz-Birkenau and other camps, whereas Lisciotto is what Sergey has called a Holocaust fanatic), the two loonies get along as well as becomes birds of a feather, by the way. At least this is suggested by lgr’s amusing doublethink/doublespeak exercise in his post 2859, where he precedes another repetition of his manipulation insinuations discussed above with the following cynical remark:

Mr Herodotus, I found your Alexa rankings extremely informative. Would you be able to pass on my congratulations to the HEART team from me? I see them as adversaries, but I can always appreciate an opponent that fights fair.

Like the equally narcissistic Lisciotto, jnovitz/lgr obviously projecting his own pathological concerns onto me when assuming that I would be worried about or angered by H.E.A.R.T. having far more visitors than HC. Needless to say, his babbling about my "little intellectual integrity" and "unscrupulous nature" is another exercise of self-projection.

The next bitching fish-wife on the CODOH thread Dear Andrea Merkel: How much do Raul Hilberg and I owe you?, who calls himself "Karl Radl", will be dealt with in my next blog.

More smear & bitching on CODOH (Part 2)

Update on the mentally unbalanced HSRDB freak ...

I'm glad to see that I still figure prominently in the poor creature's nightmares, judging by the latest update of his smear site [screenshot 1] [screenshot 2] (screenshots of an earlier version see here).

And he's stupid enough to out himself as the author of this smear site, as this screenshot shows.

Update, 20.04.2010 17:51 GMT: The freak sent mail.

The account reactivation issue ...

... has been settled the way of Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis, by converting an expired temporary ban into a permanent ban. See my RODOH post 11987, which also features another of Hargis' mendacious "Muehlenkamp got demolished" victory dances and the following manifestation of gratitude by Drew J:

Always ready with the old topic references. I love it. I have only read about the coke and the hosing of the chambers. Now I have more to read. Thanks Hannover. Always there for us.

"Always there for us". Touching, isn't it?

The mentally unbalanced HSRDB freak ...

... is obviously trying to smear me by posting crap on a website he created with my name [ screenshot page 1, screenshot page 2]. He is offering this "top website" ("over 2,300 hits recorded in 21 days") for sale to the highest bidder on E-Bay, or so he proclaims. Oh, the imbecility.

Not that I'm worried about this, on the contrary. Such criminal activities are further proof that "Revisionism" appeals to rather sick minds, and thus another shot in the foot of "Revisionism".

Meanwhile, on the "CODOH Revisionist Forum" ...

... my old friend Drew J (who obviously knows that my CODOH account has not yet been reactivated, for he refers to the previous blog and thereby signals that he's interested in what we write here) is again mouthing off about me, thereby displaying a miserable personality and (as he claims to have bested me here and there) his delusions of adequacy.



In his post of Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:09 am, Drew J spins silly
conjectures about Goebbels' diaries not being authentic. The only "indication" he can offer is that in a certain diary entry I mentioned (which was brought to my attention by Drew J's fellow believer "Thomas Dalton" via a lower-ranking rambler who calls himself Ralph Gordon, see my RODOH post 11943) Goebbels shows no compunction to write about death and executions, as I pointed out. For Drew J this suggests that Goebbels' diaries are not authentic. Why Goebbels should not have called things by their proper names in his own private diary entry - a document not meant for public disclosure - Drew J doesn't explain, instead turning to imbecilic "Robert knows deep down inside but will never admit it" - accusations and babbling that "There seems to be no good reason to think those are authentic Goebbels diaries.". That the diary entries fit the historical context in which they were written in a manner suggesting contemporary insider knowledge (for instance, the diary entry of 27.03.1942 was written ten days after the start of deportations from Lublin to Belzec extermination camp and mentions the head of Aktion Reinhard(t), Odilo Globocnik, as "the former Gauleiter of Vienna"), that they were never used for propaganda purposes (one doesn't make forgeries to keep them in the drawer) but gradually became known as historians analyzed them and realized their significance, that neither historians nor criminal justice authorities referring to these diary entries (the entry of 27 March 1942 is mentioned, for instance, in the judgment at the Sobibor trial in Hagen in 1966) have found any reason to doubt the authenticity of these diaries (that includes erstwhile "Revisionist" favorite David Irving, who pointed out that he had personally been in Moscow and examined the originals of the diaries), plus his own inability to point out indications of forgery (Goebbels' having written about deaths and executions is none) - all this is no "good reason" for Drew J to "think those are authentic Goebbels diaries". His lack of arguments makes his forgery claims look increasingly desperate.

What is especially funny is that, while on the one hand "Revisionists" like "Dalton" and Gordon are pathetically trying to explain away the incriminating content of Goebbels' diaries, including but not limited to the one of 27 March 1942, other followers of the "Revisionist" creed such as Drew J are yelling "forgery" and thereby confirming that they consider Goebbels diary entries to have incriminating contents incompatible with their articles of faith. For if they didn't consider these diary entries to have incriminating contents, why would they be claiming that they are not authentic? A discussion between the two schools of "Revisionist" nonsense ("Dalton"/Gordon vs. Drew J/Heink) should be most amusing to watch.

The one good thing about Drew J is that he still seems to disagree with the cowardly disfigurement of links to the RODOH forum, which like other CODOH practices speaks volumes about the hypocrisy of their claim to "open debate". Drew J wrote:

Sorry but I have not reproduced hyperlinks here as codoh will not allow rodoh links to go unsubstituted with the old 'aliceinwonderland' thing.

I wonder long will it take for Drew J to also swallow this "thing" and fully tow the party line.

Drew J's obsession with this writer furthermore shows in his post of Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:09 am, where he writes the following:

Let's talk about how Hoess was tortured and how other nazis were tortured to say things to fit the propaganda. I went over this many times with Roberto Muehlenkamp, but he refuses to acknowledge reality. He eventually budged but said Hoess wasn't tortured. Just MISHANDLED. Can you believe that?

Drew J's claim that he "went over this" with me is funny insofar as the discussion took place on two different forums (me writing on the RODOH forum, where Drew J wouldn't show up, he writing on the CODOH forum where I was not allowed to write). The "budged" crap shows Drew J's eagerness to convince himself that he gained the upper hand (he must be so desperate to have an experience of success that he claims them in the absence of any). As to the "tortured" vs. "mishandled" thing, I'd call that a false dilemma as it doesn't matter which of the two terms one uses for the treatment that Hoess received at the hand of his British captors, which Hoess himself described as follows in the memoirs he later wrote in Polish captivity (from the translation by Constantine FitzGibbon published by Phoenix Press under the title "Commandant of Auschwitz", pages 173f.):

I was arrested on 11 March, 1946.
My phial of poison had been broken two days before.
When I was aroused from sleep, I thought at first I was being attacked by robbers, for many robberies were taking place at that time. That was how they managed to arrest me. I was maltreated by the Field Security Police.
I was taken to Heide where I was put in those very barracks from which I had been released by the British eight months earlier.
At my first interrogation, evidence was obtained by beating me. I do not know what is in the record, although I signed it. Alcohol and the whip were too much for me. The whip was my own, which by chance had got into my wife’s luggage. It had hardly ever touched my horse, far less the prisoners. Nevertheless, one of my interrogators was convinced that I had perpetually used it for flogging the prisoners.
After some days I was taken to Minden-on-the-Weser, the main interrogation center in the British Zone. There I received further rough treatment at the hands of the English public prosecutor, a major.

What matters, as I remember having pointed out to Drew J as we "went over this", was that Hoess stated nothing under the influence of this mishandling or torture (whichever term is Drew J's preference) that he didn't state, even in more detail, on later occasions when he was far removed from the influence of physical violence, namely in his testimony for the defence of Kaltenbrunner before the IMT and in his writings in Polish captivity, including his notes under the title The Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Auschwitz. In the latter he even told his captors where they could stick their 4 million figure for the death toll of Auschwitz-Birkenau. From the translation in "Commandant of Auschwitz", pages 193 and following (emphasis added):

I myself never knew the total number and I have nothing to help me make an estimate of it.
I can only remember the figure involved in the larger actions, which were repeated to me by Eichmann or his deputies.
From Upper Silesia and Polish territory under German rule … 250,000
Germany and Theresienstadt … 100,000
Holland … 95,000
Belgium … 20,000
France … 110,000
Greece … 65,000
Hungary … 400,000
Slovakia … 90,000
I can no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant in comparison with the numbers given above.
I regard a total of two and a half millions [stated by Hoess earlier interrogations including his IMT deposition - RM] as far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive possibilities.
Figures given by former prisoners are figments of the imagination and lack any foundation.

Those Poles must have been squeezing Hoess's balls like hell for him to write this.

The figures given by Hoess add up to 1,130,000.

The figure estimated by the Soviet investigation in 1945, on the basis of the theoretical capacity of the installations and the depositions of former captives, was 4,000,000. This figure was officially upheld by the Polish government until 1992.

What Hoess was doing here was to directly challenge the reliability of his captors’ other sources, of their and the Soviet investigation commissions and of the eyewitnesses on which these commissions had relied. The latter he attacked in the strongest terms, calling them "figments of the imagination".

Why would the Poles let Hoess get away with this, if they had been bent on dictating his statements?

Why, if "Revisionists" were to be believed, would they even have coerced him into producing these highly inconvenient, counterproductive statements?

Were they so boundlessly dumb as to induce Hoess into shooting them in the foot, into openly writing into his memoirs that their own estimates of the death toll of his camp were wildly exaggerated?

Or is the "Revisionist" contention that what Hoess wrote was dictated or "doctored" by his captors what Hoess himself would have called "figments of the imagination" lacking any foundation?

I'll leave my friend Drew J to wonder about this (once more). Let's see if he can come up with something better than simply ignoring these and other inconvenient statements of Hoess that render absurd the claim that everything the man said or wrote was extracted from him by torture, or lamely claiming that the above-quoted writings of Hoess are not authentic.

As you will be reading this, Drew J, can I ask you for a favor? Please remind the CODOH moderator of reactivating my account, so that we can continue our conversation on the CODOH forum. Thanks in advance!

Update, 10.03.2010:

See my RODOH posts nos 11981, 11982 and 11983.

Showpieces of "Revisionist" stupidity/mendacity ...

... are being discussed in the RODOH forum's thread Was Goebbels out of the Extermination loop?, where "Thomas Dalton" is being quoted by his fellow "Revisionist" Ralph Gordon. See my posts nos. 11943, 11945 and 11949.