Is He Just a Puppet?

A few days ago, I sent the below e-mail to Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis, pursuant to a post he'd made at his personal Führerbunker, the CODOH Revisionist Forum.

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Today, Jonnie, you wrote about the "Holocaust industry":

"It simply another example of them starting with a false assumption and then trying to force fit everything into it."

You are truly the king of irony, Mr. Hargis. Do you not realize that this is *exactly* what you, as a filthy Holocaust denier, do?

You begin with the belief (insane as it is) that there was no Holocaust. Then you just deny any evidence to the contrary. Document that's incriminating? A forgery, of course! Eyewitnesses? All liars! Your old favorite, "forensic evidence"? Just refuse to define what you mean!

Man, you are *such* a one-trick pony.

Now go make a nasty post about me, you little girl, you.

a.m.

I sent this to his UCLA e-mail address rather than one of his pseudonymous accounts.

Predictably, his response was exactly as I predicted.

First we have a page from the Google cache (in two parts below -- click for full-size versions). The date is May 8, 2007.



and



Today, I checked the Führerbunker, and there was a new "sticky" with my name on it. Looky:



Has Jonnie Hargis ceased to have a mind of his own? Is he merely a puppet for my amusement?

When I send him a link to this post, we'll find out...

Work in Progress

I've finished the first draft of rather a lengthy essay on Reichskristallnacht, and since I intend to publish it at the Holocaust History Project Web site rather than in a peer-reviewed publication (where I'd be relinquishing the copyright in most cases), I'm presenting my first draft online for those interested in having a peak. The first two paragraphs are here. If you're interested, read the whole thing.

A standard argument by Holocaust deniers is that, while they do not believe that there was an organized plot by Nazi Germany to exterminate the Jews of Europe, that gas chambers were used to this end (among other methods), or that the number of fatalities was nearly six million (and perhaps more), they "[do] not deny the tragedy that the Jews suffered in World War II" (Kulaszka). However, as time has gone on, this gambit has been dropped, so much so that there are self-styled "revisionists" unwilling to admit that any innocent Jew died at the hands of the Nazis. Falling into this camp of Holocaust deniers are such apologists as Friedrich Paul Berg, Carlos Whitlock Porter, and the godfather of American Holocaust denial, Willis Carto.

This sort of denial had always been embraced by the most extreme elements within the Holocaust-denial movement. However, "mainstream" deniers are engendering it more and more. One such Holocaust denier is Jonnie A. Hargis. Posting on March 5, 2007, to the Web-based discussion forum of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH) as "Hannover," Hargis cut and pasted a twenty-year-old essay by Ingrid Weckert on Kristallnacht and commented that this was "a more accurate account of Kritallnacht [sic]."

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The Webb-Lisciotto farce goes on: now they try to kill death-camps.org

Chris Webb and Carmelo Lisciotto (of H.E.A.R.T. fame - or should I say infamy?) have reached a new low.

Recently Webb has called 1&1, the German Internet provider on whose server death-camps.org is hosted, and claimed to hold the copyright to all deathcamps.org materials, which were hosted at death-camps.org. Astonishingly, 1&1 blocked the site based just on Webb's empty claims.

And here's the threat sent by Webb to Stephan Thier (sic), the owner of death-camps.org domain:



(Note: through all these years Webb, a native Englishman and former ARC secretary, hasn't learned proper spelling and grammar.)

Webb's claim to copyright ownership is ridiculous. All the contents of the main site are indeed under ARC copyright, but there is no law which permits anyone, even ( :-) ) a secretary in the group just to claim to be a copyright owner - simply on the strength of the fact that this person also owns the domain name of the site.

In fact, while Webb himself has contributed some information to the site, most of the work has been done by other people, especially the webmaster (who is now behind death-camps.org). I have created a couple of ARC pages myself, and heavily contributed to several others, and I didn't give Webb any right to claim to be their owner.

It should be mentioned that while several unprincipled individuals from the former ARC group have chosen to support Webb, the majority of the ARC group (including two of the three founders) haven't.

What's worse is that deathcamps.org currently hosts a bunch of "independent websites". There was an understanding in the group that these contributions did not fall under an "umbrella" ARC copyright, but were fully independent. None of these sites' owners currently supports Webb (except Webb himself). In fact, John Ulrich Poulsen has tried for months - in vain - to have his copyrighted work removed from the site. (The updated version of his page is on the currently blocked death-camps.org).

Therefore it is Webb who is in violation of copyright law. He is a thief, pure and simple.

Carmelo, on the other hand, has been busy with mud-slinging campaign.

Check out the fake blog "http://holocaustcontroversy.blogspot.com". Cowardly blog-owner has removed all the postings, but some info still remains there. Moreover, some information on what was contained in this porn-filled smear-blog can be found at http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/holocaust-controversy.html [screenshot], and some remains will be available at Google for some time.

Of course, there will be denials of ARC connection. But look at these Wikipedia edits: 1, 2. Who is the vandal behind the edits? Check out his history of contributions: 1, 2. Rather clear, isn't it?

How sad it is that among all the Holocaust denial going on in the world, the credible Holocaust history sites are being ruined by such scum.

In case you're inclined to write to these gentlemen, you can find their addresses and e-mails through WHOIS service (just type in deathcamps.org). The 1&1 contact page is here.

So much for "k0nsl"

I had this idiot nailed a year or two ago. Now we have the confirmation.

His reaction: To pull down all of his Web sites. What a coward...

Expo magazine reveals: The spider in the virtual revisionist web

Many of the Internet revisionists hide behind aliases and conduct their business anonymously. One of the most important, and mysterious, is "k0nsl". The Swedish anti-racist magazine Expo can now reveal that the man behind the pseudonym is Swedish and called Jonathan Andersson.

Writing under several different pseudonyms, the 22-year-old Jonathan Andersson has become a central figure in the online revisionist web. As the webmaster of CODOH Forum, he has a key role in the premier virtual meeting place for Holocaust deniers – a meeting place where he is also an active participant.

In addition, Jonathan Andersson runs his own homepage, the "Holocaust History Archive"; a revisionist "copy" of the genuine site "Holocaust History". It is a fact that several famous deniers link to articles on Jonathan Andersson's website.

Andersson has for quite some time eluded historians and writers specializing in the field of Holocaust denial. Using aliases such as "k0nsl", "system33r" and "Julius Streicher", he has been able to successfully start and run revisionist hate sites while remaining undercover.

He has also extolled the virtues of Holocaust denial in Internet forums related to completely different topics.

"The anonymity offered by the Internet makes it possible for people who trade in racial, religious and ethnic supremacy to safely market their ideas and beliefs," says Ray Franklin, one of America's foremost experts on Internet hate crime.

Apart from, for example, currently serving on the national Counter-Terrorism Training Coordination Working Group of the U.S. Department of Justice, Franklin runs a well-known website called The Hate Directory. It lists global hate sites, including Jonathan Andersson's "Holocaust History Archive."

"It is of utmost importance that we investigate the attempts made by these groups to disseminate their propaganda," says Franklin.

Journalist Albrecht Kolthoff works on the anti-racism research project Redok in Germany. He has followed "k0nsl" and his activities for years without knowing who's behind the pseudonym.

"This whole Internet scene is filled with disinformation, but we believe that "k0nsl" has been active for the past 4-5 years," says Kolthoff.

"Of course, "k0nsl" cannot be compared to someone like Ernst Zündel, but he uses his Internet-related talents to promote something he believes will further the national socialist goals," Kolthoff points out.

One of the reasons why Jonathan Andersson up until now has been able to keep his identity a secret, is his unusually good computer skills.

"He is a very talented and able person when it comes to computer programming, and has created hacker programs and 'Trojans' infecting computers all over the world," Kolthoff explains.

Andersson himself claims to have been a member of the famous hacker group "Sm0ked Crew", who during the early 2000s hacked companies such as Intel, Compaq, the New York Times and Hewlett-Packard. It is not clear whether or not he is a suspect in these crime cases.

Jonathan Andersson's forum posts are characterized by a poorly concealed anti-Semitism:

The German civilian population who was the victim of repeated fire-bombs are "holocaust" victims a hundred times more than the Jews who were just sent to concentration camps (safe-keeping), where they learned how to work, how to be somewhat decent.

There was no "jewish holocaust", no "gas chambers" and no "systematic extermination". (…)

To hell with the "holocaust" lies and those who try to uphold them.

Albrecht Kolthoff believes that it is important to expose persons such as Jonathan Andersson: "The public has a right to find out about what kind of actors claim to 'just be searching for the truth.'

"They use very nasty and dishonest methods to spread their ideas. If any one of them has done something illegal, we should be able to hand over these lunatics to the law enforcement."

Expo has tried and failed to get a comment from Jonathan Andersson himself.

Just in case you were wondering...

...what scholarly pursuits holocaustresearchproject.org was up to, click here (or see this screenshot in case they have already changed it).

That, and the "re-establishment" of the old ARC site. The true site is, of course, available only here.

It will suffice to say that H.E.A.R.T.'s "ARC" still contains the fake materials (click here for more details).

This is exactly what I've been writing about all this time. They don't care about authenticity at all.

Chris Webb and Carmelo Lisciotto are not smart people, that much should be obvious by now.

What do deniers give each other for Christmas?

Though there's a school of radical revisionists which holds to the view that Christmas is in fact a gigantic Hoax perpetrated by the retail industry on the world every year, the fact remains that to the best of our knowledge, the majority of our erstwhile opponents, in print and online, celebrate Christmahannukwanzakaa. Well, maybe not the -hannukwanzakaa bit, but you know what I'm talking about.

Yes, it's that time of year, Yuletide Eve, when even diehard Holocaust deniers must surely be gathering round the chimney, not in order to examine it for any traces of carbonised corpses, but to await whatever it is Santa and his little helpers have brought the happy revisionist household that year. All of which begs the question: what could, would or should Holocaust deniers be getting for Christmas?

Answers below the fold...


For some, the answer's fairly easy. For others, we can only speculate.

We're pretty sure that IHR maven Greg Raven will be getting that cut-price bargain video of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' fairytale wedding that the Church of Scientology must be marketing to their flock of sheep right about now.

IHR boss Mark Weber, meanwhile, is surely to be given his 25th 'how to complete your book manuscript' guide, seeing as how it's been only 25 years since he wrote to David Irving promising the revisionist blockbuster The Final Solution: Legend and Reality. And maybe a thesaurus as well.

Paul Grubach will get a letter-writing kit so he can practice the calligraphy of his signature for his next missive to a head-of-state or chief executive of an NGO.

Friedrich Paul Berg will be given his umpteenth model German truck to play with, though we also suspect that he may well be rewarded with a year-long prescription to anti-Alzheimer's drug Aricept.

David Irving, meanwhile, will surely get a copy of the critical edition of the Anne Frank Diary from daughter Jessica, a smack in the gob from Bente and his own TV series from Fox entitled Desperate Louse Lies. Without, we hasten to add, any sign of Teri Hatcher or Eva Longoria on-set. Dang!

Richard Krege will get a new lawnmower specially designed to trim in between the patio stones, or the Treblinka monument, so that it'll be dual-purpose.

Joe Bellinger gets a complete annotated and mistranslated set of the Talmud.

Christopher Bollyn is getting a downloaded copy of 'Loose Change' on a CD-ROM. And a Christmas card scrawled 'FUCK YOU' from his former buddies at AFP.

Ingrid Rimland will give hubby Ernst Zündel a matchbook with the ad saying "if you can draw Skippy, you can earn big money as an artist".

Ernst will give Ingrid "some good German black bread" and another yeat of not having to sleep with him.

Robert Faurisson, we're assured, will be receiving a signed first-edition of J-B. Peres' classic 1827 work How Napoleon Never Existed, Or, The Great Error, Source Of An Infinite Number Of Errors To Be Seen In The History Of The Nineteenth Century, which he will hate since it pre-dates his trademark 'Ajax method' by 150 years. But them's the breaks.

Apparently, Carlo Mattogno and Robert Faurisson stopped exchanging Christmas cards in 1995, but there's been no communication breakdown within the Mattogno family. This means that Mattogno's brother, Catholic fundamentalist antisemite Gian Pio, will no doubt be gifting his sibling yet another copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, this time in Polish, which will cause bro' Carlo to grit his teeth and make a wan but sickly smile in front of the aunts and uncles of the Mattogno clan, but which he will rush away the instant the family dinner is over to devour.

The rest of the Mattogno family have apparently clubbed together to get Carlo a barbecue grill to replace the one he set on fire accidentally conducting impromptu cremation experiments with salt beef, since this was the most Jewish meat he could think of trying to carbonise.

Jürgen Graf will find all the latest Ron Jeremy DVDs in his stocking, so that Graf can reassure himself that Jewish pornstars really do have bigger penises than he does.

Alas, poor Sylvia Stolz won't be getting what she wants for Weihnachten this year, a little (Horst) Mahler, and will have to make do with a black-white-red-painted dildo instead. Double alas, the patriotically-painted dildo will turn out to be a leftover from the days of the Kameradschaften so Stolz will try and take it back to the store in case Michael Kühnen sat on it once.

Germar Rudolf's another one who's spending Xmas behind bars, but thanks to his personal website, we know what he put on his wishlist long ago. Mainly really bad 80s pop music and oldies, so it's been decided chez Rudolf that the young boy needs livening up, and thus he'll be receiving Slayer's 'Reign in Blood' and Tool's 'Undertow' albums instead. To complement the Tool CD, he'll also be getting rear-opening pajamas.

Alexander Baron will get the new book 'How to Live on a Prison Diet'.

But let's not forget our online friends at alt.revisionism, the Cesspit and RODOH.

Scott Smith, our favourite denier and owner of RODOH, is probably getting another model German truck like his friend Freaky Freddy Berg.

Claudia Rothenbach is to get a gift certificate to pay for gender-reassignment surgery at Johns Hopkins.

A.S. Marques will be getting a case of King Oliver sardines.

RiverCola will be getting a bullet in the head followed by an exhaustive forensic examination by a neutral commission of investigators, who will then present the results to him in his coffin.

For SeymoreG, we've heard that Martha Stewart's Ephraimite Guide To Entertaining has been wrapped up and placed under the tree down under in New Zealand.

His fellow Kiwi Lurkerthe/rodohcodohwatchwatch is being given free psychiatric therapy.

For Herr Wilf 'neugierig' Heink, a set of rabbit hutches and some lettuce.

A crate of Sterno for Matt Giwer.

Tom Moran gets a set of teach-yourself language cassettes. In English.

New tinfoil and a special Xmassy tinsel variant for Scott Bradbury's hat.

IlluSionS667 is being abducted for a get-away-from-it-all holiday season break inside the alien mothership at Newschwabenland.

And finally, Jonny 'Hannover' Hargis, circus ringmaster of CODOH forum, is getting some very special gifts from the cast of The Wizard of Oz: a heart, a brain and some courage....


Merry Christmahannukwanzakaa everybody!

Not all is trash on the Cesspit

While looking through this thread of the RODOH forum’s Memory Hole section for censored posts of mine to be mentioned in the commentary to another of Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis’ mendacious victory dances that can be read in my RODOH post # 7717, I came upon several posts of mine that had been deleted or retained on the thread Laws of nature undo Holocaust story of the Cesspit. These posts that never saw the light of day – only the first message I posted on that thread made it – are recorded in my RODOH posts # 1813, # 1820, # 1821, # 1822, # 1823, # 1828, # 1829 and # 1830.

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I also found my reference, in RODOH post # 1825, to an interesting new character who, under the handle "mscfs2", had started posting on the "Laws of nature" thread, followed by a quote of this poster’s first message.

That message and the other messages by mscfs2 published on that thread will be quoted hereafter, not only because their quality contrasts with the trash written by his "Revisionist" opponents, but also because they suggest a technically knowledgeable person more than able to paint "Revisionist" pseudo-science into a corner.

mscfs2
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:34 am Download Post Post subject:
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In all fairness guys, I don’t like the original analysis. It misses some points in the mass cremation pyre scenario. A pyre has a vertical configuration (layers of bodies above wood) and in my opinion this is crucial to the analysis.

I apologize for the rather long post, but please bear with me.

First some basic facts:

A wood fire has a range of temperatures. The range is near 1100 F near the coals to about 300 F at the tip of the flame. All these temperatures exceed the boiling point of water (212 F). Therefore all materials within the flame would be undergoing dehydration. Down low near the 1100 F coals it would be more rapid. Up high (2 meters) it would be slower. But all corpses would be in the process of dehydration.

The human body (on average) is about 60% water by weight. If you assume 150 lb average adult then 150 *0.6 = 90 lbs water. 150 * 0.4 = 60 lb of solid matter.

The human skeleton is about 20% total body weight (wet). Therefore 150 lbs * 0.2 = 30 lbs (wet). Since bones contain somewhat less than 50% water content by weight 30 lbs of bones (wet) yields roughly 15 lbs of solid matter. (Astonishingly light weight)

With a total dry weight of 60 lbs, of which about 15 lbs is bone, this leaves about 45 lbs for muscles, organs, sinews, etc. But let’s do calculations on the conservative side and call this 40 lbs.

All of this dry solid matter is combustible.
Of course the “meat” portion is readily combustible.
Small bones (toes, fingers, forearm, lower leg, ribs) are combustible.
High density bones (skull, upper arm, upper leg, vertebrae, and pelvis) are of lower combustibility.

The “meat” is about 40 lbs (dry). The total skeleton is about 15 lbs (dry) with the combustible portion conservatively estimated at maybe 5 lbs (dry). Conservative calculations indicate results of at least 40 lbs + 5 lbs = 45 lbs of dry combustible matter per body. This discounts the lower combustible skull, vertebrae, pelvis and upper limbs. They indeed do burn but require somewhat longer exposure to high temperatures.

Pyre considerations:

As stated earlier the vertical configuration of a pyre is in my opinion crucial to the analysis.

In a mass cremation pyre the lower bodies nearest the wood fire hot coals (1100 F) would dehydrate first. If they dry sufficiently their dry mass (45 lbs) could ignite and become additional fuel contributing their heat to dehydrating the bodies in the upper portion of the pyre. If these lower bodies do ignite and burn they would eventually collapse thereby lowering the overall vertical dimension of the pyre bringing the remaining upper bodies closer to the hot coals.

Fuel volumes and masses:

About what is the volume of the 45 lbs of dry organic matter generated by the dehydration of a corpse?

The specific gravity of organic materials ranges from 1.0 to 1.2. Taking a middling value of 1.1 (seems fair) this works out to 62.4 lbs/ft3 * 1.1 = 68 lbs/ft3. Therefore the conservatively calculated volume of the dry matter is roughly 45/68 = 0.6 cubic foot (ft3).

If the pyre includes a total of say about 2000 bodies, they could potentially generate about 90,000 additional lbs (45 US tons) of fuel. At 0.6 ft3 per body * 2000 bodies = 1200 ft3 of additional dry organic matter. I believe the original thread indicated 480 ft3 * 0.5 airspace = 240 ft3 of wood. The dehydrated bodies volume therefore almost quintuple (5x) the volume of combustible wood (1200 / 240 = 5).

Conclusions:

Therefore the crucial point in my analysis is whether the initial 240 ft3 of wood is enough to dehydrate some of the lower elevation bodies in the bottom of the pyre sufficiently enough to allow for them to ignite. The dehydration and ignition of subsequently higher elevation layers of bodies could then continue in an upwards direction through the vertically configured pyre.

To calculate that only the wood contributes to the cremation is a remarkable over simplification. There may be other sources of combustibility.

Like I said in the first paragraph, I don’t like the original analysis as it completely misses some points in the mass cremation pyre analysis. It considers only the volume of wood as a potential source of heat. It does not include the generation of additional fuel, the vertical configuration of a pyre, the sequential combustion of a pyre, the combustion process of dehydration leading to dry matter leading to ignition, the distribution of temperature over the height of the pyre, nor changes in pyre configuration over time.

I still don’t have any idea if this is enough wood fuel to initiate combustion of the entire pyre, but any analysis of this sort must include, in my opinion, at least some acknowledgement of the above referenced points.

mscfs2
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:53 am Download Post Post subject:
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Let's take a closer look at the initial geometric and dimensional information of the original post. I believe there is an alternate geometric configuration that more fully uses the given information and results in a more functional "roaster".

The initial conditions as stated in the original post are:

Quote:

....The cremating structure consisted of a roaster made from five or
six railroad rails on top of three rows of concrete pillars each 70 cm
high. The facility was 30 meters wide.


It plainly states the number of rails, 5 or 6. The original poster interpreted this to mean:

Quote:
The system with three parallel
tracks can only have two spaces between them, one track on either side
with the space between divided by the third rail.


I interpret this information a bit differently. I believe there are 5 or 6 rails ( lets say 6 for ease of this discussion) each about 30m long, 18 concrete support pillars at 70 cm height each, parallel rails separated by about 30 cm (1 foot), the pillars arranged in three rows of 6 in each row providing support at the end of each rail (6*2 = 12) and one pillar in the middle (6*1 = 6) of each rail ( near the 15 m mark).

This geometric configuration results in full use of the given information. It also creates a roaster that is 5 feet wide (6 parallel rails with 5 one foot separations between each rail). A roaster that is five feet wide certainly provides better support for bodies than the originally proposed roaster that is only 2 feet wide.

A 30 m rail does sound a little long, however I have personal experience in providing geotechnical engineering services for the construction of a railroad right of way that was being built with 24 m rails. I understand that in the USA standard rail lengths are 10m, 14m, and 24m. I also understand that rail manufacturers will make rails of darn near any custom length because the production method is a continuous extrusion process. Therefore, I do not find a 30 m rail length to be out of the realm of possibility.

As stated earlier, this geometric configuration results in a roaster of 5 feet width rather than 2 feet. This results in a 2 1/2 fold increase in the volume beneath the roaster. Maintaining the original stated criteria of 50% airspace for the wood material this results in an increase in volume of 2.5 fold (2.5x). Therefore the initial wood load is raised from 240 ft3 to 600 ft3. That is a huge increase in the btu available for dehydration.

mscfs2
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 7
Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:22 am Download Post Post subject:
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The original poster stated:

Quote:

Having seemingly seen it all in debating the cremation aspect of the Holocaust story I would recognize that as the classic 'Holocaust bodies burned like wood' hypothisis. That is the ultimate recourse defenders have to resort to.

Ah yes, HOLOCAUST BODIES BURNED LIKE WOOD. When all else fails that's the ultimate desperation.

mscfs2 replies:

Nowhere in my post did I state that "bodies would burn like wood". In fact I was rather careful in using terminology like dry organic matter, dry solids, dry solid matter, (wet), (dry), etc. Nowhere did I say corpses would burn like any type of wood. I did not imply it. The original poster inferred that statement and it is an improper and unsupported inference.

mscfs2
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 7
Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 11:40 am Download Post Post subject:
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For Hannover.

Sorry for the delay in response to your questions. I am involved in a project at work that requires me to be out of town. I am home on the weekends (at the most) until this project moves along a little further.

I have very limited time and opportunity at the current time to work on these posts. However, the post will pop to the top of the forum list as I make subsequent posts.

This is an interesting question that will take some time to develop an answer. Please give me time.

An interesting set of questions from me would be to ask if you think there is inadequate timber in eastern Poland? Do you think there was inadequate manpower available to the SS to perform the lumberjacking work? Do you think the road network in eastern Poland was inadequate to transport the timber from the cut site to the camp location if that was needed?

At this time I just have hunches, but in my opinion there is plenty of timber in eastern Poland. The SS had several hundred young men arriving daily on transports that might be used as slave labor. The road network was apparently sufficient to support a national economy of a somewhat modern European country.

As mentioned in my RODOH post # 1826, I tried to get in contact wish mscfs2 via PM. At that time Hargis still allowed the PM facility to all posters (he later restricted it to members of the "Revisionist" family, IIRC), and mscfs2 thus got the message. On 2 December 2004, I received the following e-mail message from him:

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:12:26 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail address omitted] Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: looking for mscfs2??
To: cortagravatas@yahoo.com

Roberto/Cortagravatas,

I am mscfs2 of The Revisionist Forum (TRF).
I am NOT a Holocaust revisionist.
I am NOT a Holocaust denier.
Quite the opposite, actually.

I am a geological engineer in the United States with a great interest in reading the history of WW2. During the past year I have become interested in reading of the Holocaust. I became aquainted with denial through a book by Michael Shermer. On a regular basis I visited TRF so as to gain an appreciation of the most current "arguments" of the deniers. I eventually registered at the site under the handle "mscfs2". (An odd handle indeed, but it stands for Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator # 2. It is simply a computer flight simulator that I used to play and this e-mail account and handle were readily available.)

This relationship with TRF did NOT last long. A forum member started a thread about burning Holocaust corpses (Treblinka I believe). His post was a shallow, half baked analysis developed from eyewitness testimony. The original poster had done a pathetic job of interpreting the given information. He also tried to develop an analysis of burning corpses that was severely flawed.

My original post was to suggest an alternate configuration of the "roaster" that used the given eyewitness information more fully. It also suggested that the original post was simplistic in its analysis of the burning of organic material on pyres. My "alternate configuration" post then came under broad attack even though not one single forum member could counter any of the specific statements I made in my posting. Hannover challenged me with several off topic questions and accused me of "dodging" his questions.

I prepared a multi-part engineering analysis that addressed the corpse burning question. If I remember correctly it had separate posts discussing:

1) roaster configuration
2) timber requirements to fire the roaster
3) manpower requirements to harvest the required amount of timber
4) security requirements to supervise the "lumberjack" kommando
5) transportation requirements to transport the cut timber
6) thermal characteristics of wood fires
7) thermal characteristics of the burning of corpses

My plan was to make sequential posts allowing time for counter arguments from board members between topics. I submitted the "timber requirement" analysis. It established the total timber requirement for firing the roaster as about 180 acres. That is about 0.3 square mile. Not even remotely close to the "vast deforestation" claim made by Hannover.

Of course the post is reviewed by a "Moderator" before posting. The Moderator accused me of performing an analysis of "modern timber harvesting" and refused to make my post public. It was deleted, or more correctly never saw the light of day. I submitted several demands to the "Moderator" that my "timber requirements" submission be posted and to let the board membership argue its merits. None of these requests saw the light of day. Within several days my account was also dead.

So much for the claim of fair and open debate.

Recently, an aquaintance saw mention of my handle (mscfs2) at a web site with a statement that a Roberto was trying unsuccessfully to contact me by e-mail. I recognized your handle from TRF. My aquaintance could not remember at which web site he had seen the post but wrote down and delivered to me the Cortagravatas e-mail address. My aquaintance also stated the topic had something to do with destruction of Holocaust bodies and The Revisionist Forum.

I know it has been months since my banning at TRF but I thought I should contact you. I hope this address is correct and still current.

[Name and e-mail address omitted, as I don’t have the sender’s authorization to make his name public.]

As I had suspected, mscfs2’s apparent failure to respond to his opponents’ later posts had been due not to his having given up the fight, but to what is the usual cause for such outcome on "Hannover" Hargis’ forum: cowardly censorship of an inconvenient poster, who was eventually banned.

What is more interesting, though, is that mscfs2, who is a geological engineer, had made a calculation of the timber requirements for the roasters at Treblinka which, if I understand his e-mail correctly, points to a much lower amount of wood than I calculated in my article about clip # 23 of the One Third of the Holocaust video. This calculation, if accurate, would confirm the assumption, expressed at the start of my article about clip # 25 of the same video, that my calculation of the required amount of wood is on the high side. According to this site, the estimated saw-log volume in a North American pine forest is 14.5 cords per acre, which would mean that the 180 acres calculated by mscfs2 correspond to 2,610 cords of wood. The amount I calculated in this article, 30.9 cords of pine wood per incineration or 23,175 cords for an assumed 750 incinerations of 1,000 corpses each, is almost 9 times higher. Even if they incinerated about 2,000 corpses at a time and thus required only 375 incinerations to burn 750,000 corpses, the amount of wood according to my calculation would still be more than 4 times higher than the amount calculated by mscfs2, assuming that he made his calculations for 750,000 corpses like I did.

It would be interesting to see how mscfs2 (who is identical with the Axis History Forum poster "Pangea" I mentioned in this article, by the way) arrived at his result and explained the technical plausibility thereof, which is why I hope that he will visit our blog for a discussion about this matter.

Censorship at Blogger

Today we have received this notice:

From: Blogger Help [mailto:support@blogger.com]
Sent: 19 December 2006 20:01
To: [...]
Subject: [#93976751] notice regarding holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Hello,

We'd like to inform you that we've received a complaint that your blog
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com contains confidential information.
Please note that our Terms of Service prohibit posting confidential items
on your blog. Accordingly, we have had to remove the content in question.

Please refer to our Terms of Service for more details:
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Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,
The Blogger Team

We found that a posting about Carmelo Lisciotto's spamming and impersonation has been deleted. Now it is available here.

The posting did not contain any information that is not publicly available, therefore it contained no confidential information.

I should note that Blogger censors still haven't deleted Carmelo's impersonation blogs and profile, despite my request and despite their (false, as it turns out) assurance that they "take impersonation very seriously". Yet they promptly removed an innocent posting without even consulting us.

It is also notable that H.E.A.R.T. thug Carmelo is trying to make the slate clean again. Too late.

If you're worried about Blogger censorship, you can write to support@blogger.com and tell them what you think.

Still No Sign of Intestinal Fortitude

Well, my most recent post about Jonnie Hargis must have gotten to him, because he began this thread about me.

How nice it is to control one's life and to own one so thoroughly.

But Jonnie still won't post about me during work hours.

What a poor, stupid, cowardly little man.

The World's Worst Librarian

Yesterday, I fired off this e-mail to Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis, and now I'm just making good on my promise. Enjoy.

Read more!

Mr. Hargis,

You changed the below thread to the following title: "Jewish Quarterly Review 1935 -1972, no mention of genocide"

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3836

I have appended below all the references to either the word "holocaust" or "genocide" between 1935 and 1972 for your review.

You have until these evening to retract your remarks. Otherwise, I and my colleagues will publish your gaffe on the HC blog.

Yours truly,
Andrew E. Mathis (Dr.)

CC: Sergey Romanov, Nick Terry, Roberto Muehlenkamp, who will take screenshots for use on the blog.

Reviewed Work(s): The Future of the American Jew by Mordecai M. Kaplan
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 39, No. 2 (Oct., 1948),
pp. 181-204
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...94810%292%
3A39%3A2%3C181%3AFOTAJ%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6
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91% The General Problems of the Judeo-Romance in the Light of the
Maqre Dardeqe
Giuliana Fiorentino
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 42, No. 1 (Jul., 1951),
pp. 57-77
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...95107%292%
3A42%3A1%3C57%3ATGPOTJ%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N
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91% Our Historic Horizons
Abraham A. Neuman
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 45, No. 4, Tercentenary
Issue (Apr., 1955), pp. 297-317
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...95504%292%
3A45%3A4%3C297%3AOHH%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Y
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73% Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: Solomon Grayzel
Reviewed Work(s): The Church and the Jewish People by Göte Hedenquist
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 46, No. 1 (Jul., 1955),
pp. 72-78
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...95507%292%
3A46%3A1%3C72%3ATCATJP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-A
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73% Review: The Tosaphists
Author(s) of Review: Irving A. Agus
Reviewed Work(s): ‮בעלי התוספות, תולדותיהם, חבוריהם, ושיטתם‬ by ‮אפרים
א. אורבך‬
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 46, No. 4 (Apr., 1956),
pp. 366-378
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...95604%292%
3A46%3A4%3C366%3ATT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0
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91% Critical Notes
Zosa Szajkowski; Sidney B. Hoenig; Albert Mordell
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jul., 1958),
pp. 63-83
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...95807%292%
3A49%3A1%3C63%3ACN%3E2.0.CO%3B2-R
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92% Jewish Rights in Palestine
Arnold J. Toynbee
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 52, No. 1 (Jul., 1961),
pp. 1-11
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96107%292%
3A52%3A1%3C1%3AJRIP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W
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91% The Dates of the Birth and the Crucifixion of Jesus. The
Crucifixion, a Libelous Accusation against the Jews
Solomon Zeitlin
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 55, No. 1 (Jul., 1964),
pp. 1-22
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96407%292%
3A55%3A1%3C1%3ATDOTBA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-U
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73% Review: The Purpose and Meaning of Jewish Existence
Author(s) of Review: Meir Ben-Horin
Reviewed Work(s): The Purpose and Meaning of Jewish Existence: A
People in the Image of God by Mordecai M. Kaplan
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 55, No. 3 (Jan., 1965),
pp. 260-266
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96501%292%
3A55%3A3%3C260%3ATPAMOJ%3E2.0.CO%3B2-K
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91% The Ecumenical Council Vatican II and the Jews
Solomon Zeitlin
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 56, No. 2 (Oct., 1965),
pp. 93-111
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96510%292%
3A56%3A2%3C93%3ATECVIA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W
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73% Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: Elias Schulman
Reviewed Work(s): The Pogroms in Ukraine in 1919 by Elias Tcherikower
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 57, No. 2 (Oct., 1966),
pp. 159-166
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96610%292%
3A57%3A2%3C159%3ATPIUI1%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4
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73% Review: This People Israel
Author(s) of Review: Paul Seligman
Reviewed Work(s): This People Israel: The Meaning of Jewish Existence
by Leo Baeck; Albert H. Friedlander
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 57, No. 3 (Jan., 1967),
pp. 242-246
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96701%292%
3A57%3A3%3C242%3ATPI%3E2.0.CO%3B2-M
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74% Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: Ben Zion Bokser
Reviewed Work(s): Judaism in a Christian World by Robert Gordis
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 58, No. 1 (Jul., 1967),
pp. 75-77
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96707%292%
3A58%3A1%3C75%3AJIACW%3E2.0.CO%3B2-2
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74% Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: Elias Schulman
Reviewed Work(s): Analytical Franco-Jewish Gazetteer 1939-1945 by Z.
Szajkowski
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 58, No. 4 (Apr., 1968),
pp. 344-347
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96804%292%
3A58%3A4%3C344%3AAFG1%3E2.0.CO%3B2-1
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91% Vatican II and the Jews
Ben Zion Bokser
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 59, No. 2 (Oct., 1968),
pp. 136-151
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96810%292%
3A59%3A2%3C136%3AVIATJ%3E2.0.CO%3B2-L
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73% Review: A Volume of Biblical Essays
Author(s) of Review: Robert Gordis
Reviewed Work(s): Four Strange Books of the Bible by Elias Bickerman
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 59, No. 3 (Jan., 1969),
pp. 237-243
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...96901%292%
3A59%3A3%3C237%3AAVOBE%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H
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23% Books Received
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 60, No. 3 (Jan., 1970),
pp. 264-270
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...97001%292%
3A60%3A3%3C264%3ABR%3E2.0.CO%3B2-G
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23% Books Received
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 62, No. 1 (Jul., 1971),
pp. 72-76
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...97107%292%
3A62%3A1%3C72%3ABR%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Y
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23% Books Received
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 62, No. 4 (Apr., 1972),
pp. 322-330
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...97204%292%
3A62%3A4%3C322%3ABR%3E2.0.CO%3B2-B
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79% Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: John Jay Hughes
Reviewed Work(s): The Silence of Pius XII by Carlo Falconi; Bernard
Wall
The Jewish Quarterly Review > New Ser., Vol. 63, No. 1 (Jul., 1972),
pp. 80-85
Stable URL: links.jstor.org/sici?sici...97207%292%
3A63%3A1%3C80%3ATSOPX%3E2.0.CO%3B2-8
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A "revisionist" has a wet dream

If the holocaust industry throws the lightest bone now, it would topple the whole monolith and that would lead to the destruction of the so-called "Jewish state" within a year.

Not only German "reparations" would stop overnight amidst immense bitterness, but Americans would refuse to give more credit to such a morally ugly entity that insults the whole humanity. And because the illegal "state" of Israel is build on racket rather than economy, it would become unable to sustain the loss of its parasitic pumps glued on the back of mankind. The whole "country" will stop soon, including the military.

Then, the world would be liberated. That time shall come.

CODOH truly has gathered all the filth...

Another "somewhat honest" denier

Am I a holocaust sceptic? Actually, I am not a holocaust sceptic. I unreservedly deny that there was any program to persecute the Jews. Scepticism does not enter into it. I know for a fact that the Jews got everything they deserved. Persecution does not even rate in this endeavour. The 'German' Jews, if I were in charge, would have been executed, every single one of them, Man. women & child, if they were proved to be traitors to Germany. The rest I would have put in prison camps. Why? Because I am no fool. I know what they were up to, sabotage and filthy dirty behaviour, just as they are promulgating in the United States of America and globally today. I make no apologies for it. Paul Grubach has it wrong. He is too soft on the Jew! Like Pastor Wickstom and Pastor Jones, every Jew needs to be killed. I am a Christian, I hate, Like David, King of Israel, every Jew with a PERFECT HATRED.

[...]

The Jews, every single one, are devils. The spawn of Satan & Eve. You who are saved know this, you who do not are lost. I am not speaking to you cowardly lot. You may as well leave the thread and go watch TV, you know how much you love the Jew tube.
I am a Christian, I believe the bible. I believe Jesus. I am heading off to eternal life. The rest are heading off to hell.

Ah good, I got that off my chest. Time for a cuppa tea.

This guy is for real, BTW. At the Cesspit he is known as "kiwichap".

H.E.A.R.T.'s spamming campaign

Those of you still interested in this topic can click here.

H.E.A.R.T. as an educational resource

Earlier materials about H.E.A.R.T. at this blog:

H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods

H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods (cont.)

On the demise of deathcamps.org: how fakes and arrogance killed a great undertaking

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One of my colleagues, who will not be named here, has called this to my attention.

Recently at the H.E.A.R.T. site a "Holocaust glossary" went up, authored by a certain "CL". It is rather funny - it doesn't even contain an entry for Auschwitz. It does for Birkenau, though, but claims that "[f]our purpose built gas chambers and crematoria were eventually functioning in the camp". The author is blisfully unaware of the fact that the number of the chambers was higher than than number of crematoria - each crematorium eventually had several gas chambers (Krema II and III gas chambers were eventually divided into two, summing up to 4 GCs for these two crematoria; Krema IV and V contained at least 2 gas chambers each from the beginning), plus there were 6 gas chambers in the Bunkers (which belonged to Birkenau).

The most humorous entry is about Hitler:



Not only he is called "Adolph", his date of birth is given as his date of death!

Some "education"!

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In other news: "someone" has been spamming Wikipedia with H.E.A.R.T. ads. I think I know who this "someone" is ;-)

Update: since "CL" is currently monitoring this blog, the "Hitler" mistakes have been immediately corrected. Let's see when he adds Auschwitz and corrects his Birkenau entry :-)

Update 2: since "CL" is reading us anyway, he should also correct more silly mistakes, like:

Extermination camp

A location to which Jews and others were deported, in order to be executed by efficient mass assembly-line killing methods. The camps, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka, were located in occupied Poland.

Where are Auschwitz and Majdanek?

Belzec

One of the four Polish death camps.

Just four? Really? Are you a closet denier, or something?

Update 3: the Wikipedia pages have been deleted by "Holocaust_Research_Team"'s request. The background is this: "Holocaust_Research_Team" began spamming Holocaust-related Wiki entries with ads like this one (see the complete list):

There is an excellent online research for studying the Holocaust and all related information. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ H.E.A.R.T Holocaust Education & Archive Research Team Their Mission: Today there are many resources available for those wishing to learn more of what the world has come to know as "The Holocaust" - the planned extermination of entire ethnic, religious, political, and other groups by the government of a sovereign state, Germany, and her allies during the years 1933 -1945. Memorials, museums, and sufficient books to fill entire libraries are devoted to the subject. But the advent of the internet has created a new, globally accessible source of information on the Holocaust. Some of this information is valuable, often unique. Much of it, poorly researched and sourced, is not. The hateful writings emanating from the twisted minds of those who would deny the reality of what is irrefutable are much worse.

He was repeatedly warned about spamming, as was evident from his talk page, the screenshot of which you can find here. Embarrassed, "Holocaust_Research_Team" tried to erase his talk page, but was told not to, by admins. It is also evident from his history page, the screenshot of which can be found here. Then "Holocaust_Research_Team" requested the deletion of his talk page, and his wish was granted. And the deletion log of his user page states that the reason for deletion was "Blatant advertising" (screenshot).

Then our good friend from H.E.A.R.T. created a new account, "HolocaustResearchProject". And immediately started adding his links again, and again he was warned to stop advertising (also look here (screenshot)). In fact, currently all of his edits have been reverted.

Update 4: Some more details. Our H.E.A.R.T. "friends" also posted from this IP address (as has been discussed here (screenshot)).

Update 5: http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org has been blacklisted (screenshot).

Update 6: The link in the German version has been inserted from IP 198.22.153.10, belonging to Pegasystems Inc. (101 Main Street , Cambridge, MA). Carmelo Lisciotto works at Pegasystems.

Update 7: IP address from update 4, 71.243.87.210, is from Boston, MA according to our blog counter:

Host Name pool-71-243-87-210.bos.east.verizon.net
IP Address 71.243.87.210
Country United States
Region Massachusetts
City Boston
ISP Verizon Internet Services Inc

I.e., it is simply Carmelo Lisciotto spamming from home, rather than from work.

H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods (cont.)

"In response" to my posting about the H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods, one of the culprits ("Robert James Jones JR.") posted the following links:

http://defeat2jews.blogspot.com/2006/11/how-to-infiltrate-and-destroy-holocaust.html

http://promoteholocaustdenial.blogspot.com/2006/11/holohoax-and-jews-still-controlling.html

Again, these need no comment, but I'll just copy the contents in case the culprit decides to delete them.
Read more!

How to Infiltrate and Destroy Holocaust Websites and Destroy the Jewish Conspiracy!

To my many ardent fans on the Internet and most especially my Blogger fans.

Most of you know of me from my infamous exploits infiltrating Pro-Holocaust Websites and Web Groups, and for my never-ending battle against Yad Vashem and the Jewish Conspiracy.

My good friends David Irving and my associate Nick Terry have spent many years disgusing ourselves as Holocaust sympathizers. We've lured in suspected Jews and Jewish controlled groups by playing ourselves as Anti-Revisionists and fighters of denial when nothing could be further from the truth.

Nick Terry has especially played a key role in bringing down the Jews and the jew controlled media. His work at Colleges in London where's he's played the role of Historian have lent legitimacy to our effort and helped us gain secret access to the most secretive of plans that the Jewish conspirators have hatched.

We promise all of you that we will continue our work against the Jews and their allies, we will attack anyone who protects the Jews and their filthy lies.

We ask for your support in David Irvings great mission, his website can be found here: www.fpp.co.uk

David has been a true inspiration for Nick Terry and for myself.

Thank you and keep up the fight against the Jewish Conspiracy. End the Holo-Hoax!

Sergey Romanov
Jew Hater and Destroyer of Anything Pro-Holocaust
[email]

Posted by Sergey Romanov at 8:10 AM

http://defeat2jews.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2006-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=1

http://promoteholocaustdenial.blogspot.com/

The Holohoax and Jews Still Controlling the World!

Hey everyone,

In between spending our time infiltrating holocaust websites and posting slander and filth on our many blogs, one of our key revisionist blogs being http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com ,
this is the blog where we pretend to be debunking denier sites, it's really fun suckering in these Jews and their supporters, it also makes a great tool to convince the Zionists, and Holohoaxers that we are really on thier side and believe in there fake claims about the holocaust.

Everyone knows the holocaust never happend it's all a pack of lies, David Irving is a hero to our cause.

Nick Terry and Sergey Romanov

Posted by Sergey Romanov at 7:42 AM 0 comments

Tuesday, November 14, 2006
How to Infiltrate and Destroy Holocaust Websites and Destroy the Jewish Conspiracy!

To my many ardent fans on the Internet and most especially my Blogger fans.

Most of you know of me from my infamous exploits infiltrating Pro-Holocaust Websites and Web Groups, and for my never-ending battle against Yad Vashem and the Jewish Conspiracy.

My good friends David Irving and my associate Nick Terry have spent many years disgusing ourselves as Holocaust sympathizers. We've lured in suspected Jews and Jewish controlled groups by playing ourselves as Anti-Revisionists and fighters of denial when nothing could be further from the truth.

Nick Terry has especially played a key role in bringing down the Jews and the jew controlled media. His work at Colleges in London where's he's played the role of Historian have lent legitimacy to our effort and helped us gain secret access to the most secretive of plans that the Jewish conspirators have hatched.

We promise all of you that we will continue our work against the Jews and their allies, we will attack anyone who protects the Jews and their filthy lies.

We ask for your support in David Irvings great mission, his website can be found here: www.fpp.co.uk

David has been a true inspiration for Nick Terry and for myself.

Thank you and keep up the fight against the Jewish Conspiracy. End the Holo-Hoax!

Sergey Romanov
Jew Hater and Destroyer of Anything Pro-Holocaust
[email]

Posted by Sergey Romanov at 8:10 AM 0 comments

http://defeat2jews.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, November 14, 2006
End the Zionist Lies

The Jews are the evil of the world!

Posted by Sergey Romanov at 7:52 AM 0 commentsTuesday, November 14, 2006
End the Zionist Lies

The Jews are the evil of the world!

Posted by Sergey Romanov at 7:52 AM 0 comments

http://nojewishlies.blogspot.com/

Once again you can see Carmelo Lisciotto's "fingerprints". The fingerprints of H.E.A.R.T.S's representative. Make up your mind about the credibilitiy of www.HolocaustResearchProject.org.

Update: the profile of the impersonator is at http://beta.blogger.com/profile/18230340736316856245

On Blogger Since November 2006

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H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods

Recently we've been getting some of the most pornographic, vile, vulgar and libelous messages we've ever seen, both on the blog and by e-mail.

Ironically, these messages were not from our Nazi opponents, who sometimes stoop to this level, but not that often.

They were left by defenders of so-called "H.E.A.R.T." ("Holocaust Education & Archive Research Team", http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org), and all this followed my exposure of H.E.A.R.T. founder Chris Webb's key role in demise of deathcamps.org (and intrinsic lack of credibility of his new venture).

Below I will quote some of these messages by a H.E.A.R.T. representative and a H.E.A.R.T. defender (who may be one and the same person).

But if you wish to avoid feeling dirty, better skip this posting. Consider yourself warned.

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According to whois, holocaustresearchproject.org domain is registered by a certain Carmelo Lisciotto. Lisciotto is a former ARC member, who, according to my conversations with one "neutral" (i.e., not taking sides) ARC member, was forced to leave the group because of an internal conflict.

When ARC broke up, Chris Webb apparently immediately contacted Lisciotto to use him as a webmaster for his new H.E.A.R.T. group.

Some time before my posting, I contacted Lisciotto, and some reciprocal taunting ensued, which later grew into a slightly more constructive discussion, but only for a very short time. When Lisciotto issued a veiled threat that he, knowing some people at Google, can "have sites added or removed almost at will" (in the search engine database), of course, I promised to publish his e-mail if anything happens, after which an accusation that "[m]aking threats is childish" followed (apparently, Lisciotto didn't see any irony here). The next (unprovoked) message was:

dude you must be gay....

Talk about childish behavior.

After the posting was made, and the link was sent to several relevant people (including some notable Holocaust scholars), Lisciotto basically went nuts and posted the following:

Hey Idiot,
Does posting peoples names on blogs like a silly little faggot from where ever the fuck you are from make you happy?
I think your daddy must have stuck his finger up your ass way too many times when you were a child.

If you wish to knock on another website fine, when you start publishing peoples names and copies of emails that were never meant for public circulation you've crossed the line.

You, Nick terry and the other blogging faggots need to cut the shit and get on with your lives.

If you meet me in person you will be doing a lot of apologizing that I can assure you.
-Carmelo

After realizing that he had sent his bigoted rant accidentally to a large group of people, including serious mainstream scholars, he was quick to issue an "apology", though the deed was done and couldn't be reverted.

That wasn't enough for Lisciotto, who, posting anonymously as "Holoscholar" has left the following comment under the post in question:

Hey Sergey, do you ever spend time with a cock up your ass?

He quickly deleted it, but, of course, all comments also arrive to us by e-mail, so it was rather pointless.

Lisciotto's obsession with "gays", "faggots" and "cocks up asses" may be explained rather easily (Usenet remembers everything...), and it shows him to be a hypocrite (especially considering his political conservatism and alleged Christianity).

Since "Holoscholar's" blog is set up as an official H.E.A.R.T. outlet, it is fair to say that he (Lisciotto) is a H.E.A.R.T. representative.

Now you can judge H.E.A.R.T.'s credibility also by the words of its representative.

Apparently realizing that he is harming his cause more than helping it, "Holoscholar" has disappeared from the thread in question. Instead, a certain "Robert James Jones JR." appeared (account created in October, obviously specifically to troll at this blog). Judging by the style, and by the fact that nobody but Lisciotto would have a greater motive to troll here, I suspect just who that "Robert James Jones JR." is. But judge for yourself.

RJJR began spamming the thread with libelous accusations, which really need no comment. Here are some of them:

mr sergee I've recieved more reports of other Holocaust Survivors you have abused and degraded. Is this a habit with you?

Sergey Romanov the abuser of innocent Holocaust victims.

Truly a disgusting man you are. Does Nick Terry also abuse holocaust victims and survivors?

Quite a disgusting group and digusting blog this http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/ is....

Again you have made a post about having a "cock in your ass" that is how many post that YOU HAVE MADE that have that line reprinted in it.
Is that you subtle way of being an exhibitionist?

Mr sergeee Mr sergee....

It is so interesting to watch you 3 idiots attempt to bait me into a debate.

The original post shows Sergee and Nic terri getting "kicked out" of the ARC group.

(It shows nothing of the sort, BTW.)

VERIFIED DENIER and ABUSER of HOLOCAUST SURVIORS namely Sergey Romanov

They clearly don't want you or to be associated with your HOLOCUST DENIAL BLOG http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

How many more Jews and Holocaust survivors will you attack and abuse Mr. Sergey Romanov?
How much more suffering will you and Nick Terry of http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/ cause to the victims of the holocaust with your revisionist lies???
The three of you should combine your IQ's and come up as a single idiot and stead of three. It would be more economical, and the cock would then be in all your asses :)

It is my understanding that this Neo Nazi Sergey Romanov even went so far as to publicly attack a Holocaust Survivor and belittle and degrade the man. All of this for what end?
What is the purpose of all of this Facist style hatred?

http://Holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com reads like a chapter of DER STURMER.

Is sergee mr Streicher now?

Such a den of iniquity as this shameful lying blog is a scar of all those who choose to respect the victims of the Holocaust.

It should be fairly obvious as to the reason that Nick Terry Sergey Romanov were kicked out of the a r c webgroup, they were exposed for being deniers, and holding memberships in revisionist organizations against the charter of the arc board. Thus they were shown the door. That then spurred this attacking revisionist block article that here on this revisionist blog http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

Certainly I have never come across such a vipers nest of holocaust denial and revision as this blog http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

I feel very sorry for you mr terri and mr sergee that you would stoop to such low levels and attack a holocaust treasure for your twisted goals.

May I ask you one question? Do you make some monies from this type of activities? Why do you put so much effort into destruction? Did not the Nazi's do enough of that on their own? Or are you part of that mindset only hiding it so well to trick people?

But the venom you unleash is self evident and one doesn't need a bloodhound to smell the that there is most definitely something fishy about your group of people mr sergee and mr terri.

Hiding behind the guise of fighting holocaust denial when your true intentions is rewrite truth is clearly shown

Etc., etc., etc.

Now, there are two options. Either this is the same H.E.A.R.T. representative - and then what this tells us about this group? Or this is an "average" H.E.A.R.T. defender, which also doesn't reflect well on the credibility of the above group.

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Later developments: H.E.A.R.T. defenders and their methods (cont.).

My, oh my

Roberto single-handedly crushes that cesspit known as Stormfront.

I especially liked this bit from pompous ass with the nickname "SirMosley":

(impossible, of course, since the 2km2 pits, once dug, are visible 24-7).

Almost nobody would expect high intelligence from a WN, but, frankly, I expect even a schoolboy to know that, as Roberto pointed out, 2200 m² equals 0.0022 km²

A note for the folks at the Cesspit

… can be found here .

Who Owns Whom?

As I noted in an earlier post, Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis made a post about me on Monday, November 6, at 2:29 p.m.

I reacted that evening with the post linked to above. But I forgot my initial reaction. And that reaction was to phone Jonnie Hargis's supervisor and apprise her that, once again, a UCLA employee was engaged in illegal activity at work.

The posts during the work day stopped.

So who owns whom, Jonnie?

And I guess the real question is, "Do you feel lucky?"



Well, do you, punk?

Running out of Tylenol at the Cesspit

Oh, the joys of CODOH forum.

Apparently disturbed by various damningly antisemitic and callous entries in the Goebbels diaries, one intrepid denier has noticed that wartime publications have a different tone to them - yes, that's right, one is a diary and the other is for public consumption. Therefore, the diary must be a forgery. Little does the denier know that no less a personage than (arf arf) David Irving endorsed the authenticity of the diaries, and simply glossed over or twisted the 'inconvenient' bits.

When they declare something faked, you know their brains are hurting.