The Cesspit just keeps on giving

Yet another circus act, this time from "vincentferrer" and "Haldan".

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I found a item on ebay recently which has become a great tool for introducing Holocaust Revisionism to people, who might not otherwise ever ask about it.

If you search on ebay using the keyword Maximilian Kolbe, you will find a seller offering $ .98 black stickers, 2x3.5 inches in size. These stickers are a little smaller than a credit card and have large white numbers on
them: 16670. In very small print it then says, St. Maximilian Kolbe, pray for us.

Most people cannot read that , but they can see the 16670.

I have placed this sticker on the inside of my windshield at the lower left hand side of the window.

And does it ever get people curious.

It then allows me to explain this is the number of a Auschwitz inmate, a non Jew who was in Auschwitz and died............ by a lethal injection.

This is about the fastest route into debunking the legend about Gassings that I can think of. If that does not provide a great door opener for sharing the truth of Revisionism to strangers, I do not know what could.

I also carry a stack of brochures from the IHR and in particular a handout titled, The "Problem of the Gas Chambers" by Robert Faurisson


It works, and that is the botton line.

So, basically, this stupid pig admits that his way of introducing denial to unsuspecting people is black propaganda. Because how otherwise this method could be characterized, if, according to the Auschwitz Chronicle Kolbe was murdered on August 14, 1941? The earliest date mentioned for the first experimental gassing in Auschwitz (significantly, of non-Jews) is August 15, 1941 (testimony of Michal Kula).

So how does that prove anything?

(Of course, lethal injections continued throughout the existence of the camp, so even if Kolbe would be murdered by lethal injection after gassings started, that still wouldn't prove anything. Obviously, sometimes it was more efficient to kill a small number of people with injections rather than wasting Zyklon B on small groups or waiting for the next Jewish transport.)

Not surprisingly, our old friend "Haldan" is wetting his panties in awe:

Yes, it is a good eye opening argument, which infact should work good in this practice, of showing a person that the idea of German "gas chambers" is absurd on the face of the available facts.

It has been written that Kolbe suffered from active tuberculosis and therefore I wonder why it wouldn't have been more convenient to march this man to one of the alleged "gas chambers" along with 1999 Jews or other sick people, or any number of people which the alleged "gas chamber" could hold!

Convenient as in following the story line of the Hoaxco$t, I mean. It is afterall incessantly repeated that those who were ill had to be "gassed" upon arrival.

How come the Cesspit attracts mostly degenerates into its ranks?

The Unbearable Stupidity of the Cesspit

As usual, some "revisionist" lemming ("Hotzenplotz") has found something which he, lacking any imagination and common sense, cannot explain, and therefore rejects.

The upper camp is connected with the lower camps by a small gauge ("narrow track") railway, as we are told. More precisely, what we see is that the mass graves are connected with Sobibor's station. The railway leads directly to the platform.

What could possibly be the purpose? SS-men travelling between the two parts of the camp? Illogical.

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First of all, there would be no need for a railway to transport a couple of men for just something like 200 metres. Sounds like a loona park. Secondly, there would be no reason for the tracks to lead to the station. If the railway was to facilitate quick transport between the two parts of the camp, it should end right in the middle of the lower camp, not in front of the "pre-camp". Or was it built for SS-men from the upper camp going "downtown" or on holidays? Absurd. They didn't leave that often and certainly could have walked the 200 metres. Why not use a car or truck, anyway? Or was the railway for supplying coal to the crematoria? There were no crematoria. For transporting the belongings of the "gassed"? No, they were taken away from them already in the lower camps. We know the deportees had to walk naked along the "tube" ("Schlauch") leading to the "gas chambers".

I therefore conclude that the deportees, after having been gassed and dumped in the mass graves, arose from the dead to take a train ride back to Sobibor station!

The Sobibor small gauge railway is an instance of the characteristical appearance of details within a story of lies that don't fit in logically. Within this story, the railway makes perfect sense: Lots of Jews came from the disinfection installations/ shower rooms (a.k.a. "gas chambers") in the upper camp who had to be channeled back to the station swiftly - for transport to the eastern territories. Sometimes several thousands a day. Some of them were old, some children. Instead of whipping them along, the SS chose to build a small gauge railway which ended exactly where it should, at the station, so that the deportees could change to the next train.

Poor schmuck is so silly that he won't be embarrassed even when the obvious will be pointed out to him:

Elderly people, the sick, and invalids who were unable to walk were told that they would be taken to a Lazarett (infirmary) where they would receive medical treatment. Actually they were put on carts, pushed by men or pulled by horse, and at a later stage on a narrow-gauge railway carriage, and were taken into Camp III, directly to the open pits, and there they were shot.

Arad, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, p. 77.

Another technical improvement introduced in Sobibor was a narrow railway trolley that ran from the disembarking platform to the burial pits in Camp III. It was to replace the carts pushed by prisoners or the horse-drawn carts on which the dead, the sick, and those unable to walk from the train were transferred to the pits. According to Oberscharfuehrer Hubert Gomerski, who was in charge of Camp III, the length of the narrow railway was about 300-400 meters. It included five or six trolleys and a small diesel locomotive.
Scharfuehrer Erich Bauer testified:

... Part of the trolleys and rails originated from the sawmill that bordered the Sobibor camp. Additional trolleys and rails arrived by train from Trawniki. The locomotive of this train came later, about two months after the trolley was in operation. At the beginning horses pulled the trolleys. As I explained in previous interrogations, the trolley was laid to transport the sick and handicapped Jews from the arriving trains to Camp III. I know that these people, including the handicapped and sick, children, and particularly infants, were taken to the so-called Lazarett, and there they were shot by those serving in Camp III. ... It was known in the camps that this Lazarett was used not for healing but for the extermination of the people. ...

Op. cit., pp. 123-124.

Finally, here's the description by the Company Commander Westermann of the arrival of a train to Belzec, a related extermination camp:

The ever greater panic spreading among the Jews due to the great heat, overloading of the train cars, and stink of dead bodies – when unloading the train cars some 2,000 Jews were found dead in the train – made the transport almost unworkable.

The report of Zugwachtmeister Jaecklein confirms the number of the dead:

The ever increasing panic among the Jews caused by the intense heat, the overcrowding in the wagons the stink of the dead bodies – when the wagons were unloaded there were about 2,000 dead in the train – made the transport impossible.

There is no reason to suggest that situation was any different in Sobibor. So that's the simple answer to the silly question.

Now, deniers like to babble about "common sense". But they themselves have none. It doesn't make sense to build a railway to disinfestation chambers, because the chambers can be built near the ramp. It does make sense to build a railway to the mass graves (if the materials are available), because the graves themselves cannot be situated too close to the ramp for obvious reasons.

And still, another denier lemming ("Laurentz Dahl") is very happy about the first lemming's "find":

Nice find.

However, in our upsidedown cloud cuckoo world of today, common "sense" would probably have it that the nazis at Sobibor were so evil that they had to kill their victims twice.

Rutger Hauer they had to gas at last thrice of course...

Gee.

And of course, both lemmings are at loss as how to explain the whereabouts of the Jews transported to Sobibor. "Eastern territories" doesn't cut it, kids. They would have been found in these territories after the war, just as the Jews sent to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno.

But they weren't.

Update: Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis makes a total fool of himself:

What stands out like a liar's big nose is the area designated as 'mass graves'.

Those alleged mass graves have never been shown to actually exist.

If the laughable yarns were true they would excavate and make a enormous media event of it.

Remnants of such alleged mass graves are impossible to obliterate.

The claimed 'mass graves' do not exist. Doesn't get any simpler than this.

Except that the mass graves have been found:

Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi death camp in north-eastern Poland.

The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation in the summer, said the graves - the largest of which is about half the size of a football pitch - contain charred remains.

Commercial Decisions Aren't Censorship...

...but try telling that to the deniers. Johnnie 'I'm not Hannover' Hargis just threw his rattle out of the pram after receiving an email from Michael Santomauro, acting business manager of VHO while the boss is in jail, saying that US firm PayPal has suspended VHO's account on the grounds that it violates their acceptable use policy on two counts.

Firstly, because "PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments for items or in support of organizations that promote hate, violence, or racial intolerance." Secondly, and this one makes you wonder why it wasn't enforced sooner, because "PayPal also prohibits a person convicted of a violent felony, or his relatives or associates, from using PayPal to benefit financially from the convicted criminal's notoriety or crime.". Now, if you want to split hairs, Young Germar is not a violent felon, merely a deluded pseudo-scientist, but there's little doubt that VHO is soliciting donations on behalf of Rudolf and precisely because of his notoriety.

The response from Hargis is predictably hilarious and utterly paranoid. The ninny automatically assumes that the 'judeo-supremacists' must have been behind it, which would be news to 'avowed libertarian' Peter Thiel, co-founder of PayPal, or to the founder of eBay, Iranian emigre Pierre Omidyar, methinks.

In any case, as the title of this post alludes to, both Hannover and Santomauro don't have a legal leg to stand on. The First Amendment applies exclusively to the US goverment, not to private corporations, who have the legal right to enforce any restrictions they so desire. It's the e-commerce equivalent of the shopkeeper saying 'we don't want your business here'.

Holocaust deniers have been largely shut out of the bookstore trade by simple economics - their books evidently don't sell well enough to warrant much interest from Borders or Barnes & Noble - but remain tolerated on amazon.com, since online bookstores can cope with niche interests better than physical ones. PayPal's decision, however, cuts to the very heart of an operation such as VHO.

How long before they try the hypocritical tactic of comparing the ban to certain boycotts in the past? Not long, probably. Expect to see some smart-ass mouthing off shortly about 'Revisionisten unerwünscht', oblivious to the irony.

Meet Celtic Patriot's Best Friend

Ah, the Stormfront. Home of the alternatively-thinking, alternatively-gifted, alternatively-spelling Neanderthals. We have already seen one SF high-IQ specimen, Celtic Patriot.

Here comes the next Alternative Genius - MiketheReeper.

Hi, I'm Mike. Mike the Reeper! Aaaaargh!
Mikey tries to tackle my article about the "revisionist" lies about Alexander Pechersky.

He doesn't do very well, and his spelling is the smallest part of the problem.

Absolutly! There it is, the proof that the "Holocaust" happened!! I must thank you for finally, after how many hundreds of posts this is what you introduce ...The disrespectful rantings of a self-righteous "Holocaust" enforcer who "knows" what happened and therefore does not feel he has to share all facts relavent.

Um, Mikey, are you living in your own fantasy world, or something? (You probably do.) Where anything about the "the proof that the "Holocaust" happened" is mentioned in the article? The paragraph you're dealing does not mention it either. Hmmmm... The article does deal with the deniers' lies though.

So..he saw but he didn't?

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey. Are you on medication, or something? (You probably are.) Didn't you read a few paragraphs later:

Pechersky's description is not only hearsay, it is at least second-hand hearsay. ... But Graf omitted this crucial fact, destroying any credibility he might have ever had.

To make it easier for you, Mikey:

1. Pechersky didn't see it.
2. Nobody said that Pechersky saw it.
3. Pechersky himself didn't say that he saw it.
4. The person Pechersky talked with explicitly said that even he didn't see it.
5. Go to 1.

Mikey again:

Oh, I have a "eyewitness testimony that helps explain the use for the "gas chamber" having fossits and shower heads.

Camp inmates may have sometimes heard real screams and mistakenly assumed that they were the screams of people being killed. For example, consider Sarah Cender's eyewitness account of her arrival at Auschwitz, as quoted by Martin Gilbert (Auschwitz and the Allies, Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1981, p. 309):

"Upon arrival we were separated from the males and brought in front of a building where heaps of clothing were lying on the ground. We were ordered to undress quickly and naked we were pushed into a pitch dark chamber (what we naively and hopefully thought to be a bath facility -- although no soap or towel were given to us).
The doors closed behind us. Anxious seconds and minutes passed. Nothing seemed to happen -- for a while. Only cries and laments and hysterical screams we heard from every corner of the chamber. Some of the women started to cough incoherently, believing being choked by gas. The situation became unbearable....

Eventually, after a bombing raid, the doors were opened and Cender and her companions were ordered out of "the chamber". But how many camp inmates heard their "hysterical screams" and assumed that they were being gassed?

So how does this testimony explain anything about showers and faucets?

I understand, of course, that smart, long texts are confusing for poor Mikey:

I am assuming since this sites ideas are almost confusing

Don't assume, Mikey. That makes an ASS out of U (but not ME).

PS: Mikey's butt buddy Hektor chimes in:

But if you really believe they debunked the videos, you certainly also believe in the "gas chambers with opening floors", do you Trojan11?!

Boy, aren't you stupid, Hek! How much of "I did not see that" should we repeat to you? Whatever Biskowitz saw from a distance, in a hurry, and described as a hollow with the bodies, he said about the "collapsing floor": "I did not see that". And historians rightly don't use this part, because it doesn't mesh with other descriptions, but it doesn't discredit Biskowitz, exactly because of the circumstances in which he witnessed whatever he later described as a hollow with bodies. To repeat: it was at a distance; he was in a hurry. This doesn't add to credibility of these particular observations, and does not detract from Biszkowitz's overall credibility, because exactly these circumstances help to explain why Biskowitz got it wrong.

Another denier runs away

An interesting exchange took place at The Skeptics Society Forum. Nick challenged a rather dull and dim denier "David" (who, we suspect, is a certain David Allen of San Francisco, who is somehow related to a well-known denier Andrew Allen):

David, please list all witnesses claiming to have observed diesel engines at the Aktion Reinhard camps of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka. Please spell out their actual position in the camp, the level of their technical education. Please also add in those witnesses claiming to have observed petrol engines at the Aktion Reinhard camps.

What is the evidentiary basis for your claim that diesels were used at all?

David's answer:

Whoa there partner, you are the Believer...I don't believe in
no diesels, no how.

So you are asking ME to tell YOU what Believers believe about diesels?


Well, it seems to be all over the range. Some claim diesels really
are deadly, some say diesels are kinda of deadly, some say
diesels are irrelevant, some say zyklon. Asphyxiation, smothering,
heat...I've heard many a differing tale.

So please excuse a poor non-Believer for being confused.

But I can tell from the direction of your question that you are
one of them new style "gasoline" Believers! Tell me if I have you
pegged right.

Some people just don't understand. Or understand too well. But Nick doesn't give up:

No, David, I'm asking you to SOURCE your claims that the gas chambers in the Aktion Reinhard camps have always been described as diesels.

That means presenting convincing evidence that all witnesses to these camps said diesels. If you - or any other 'revisionist' such as Berg - can't actually prove that all witnesses said diesels, why should we listen to you blather on?

In case you are puzzled, the evidence is independent of historians. Please try not to confuse the two. It really doesn't help matters very much, and it suggests you have been asleep in any history classes you have attended should you persist in mistaking one for the other.

As his Titanic was sinking, David let out his last breath:

As the Diesel Myth slowly splutters to an end I would like to
move on to a new Treblinka topic.

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Moon landing, shmoon landing!

So, NASA lost the original Moon landing footage.

I guess that means there was no footage in the first place. At least if we use Jonnie "I am not Hannover" Hargis' logic. All too often when confronted with quotes from incriminating documents from scholarly sources his only defence is "Where are the originals?", as if it is absolutely necessary to always consult the original pieces of paper with text, as if one can never rely on scholarly literature (which is a pretty standard practice).

Well, no, Hargis won't apply the same reasoning to the Moon landing or most other proven historical events. Try asking Jonnie for Katyn evidence (in jest), and a scanned image of a xeroxed copy will suffice. Not so for the Holocaust documents. The Holocaust is unique in this sense - for the deniers.

More CODOH Circus

Valiant "Haldan" is all for logic, reason and science!

I know you are asking specificially about scientists, but those who believe in the Holocaust in general are typically motivated by feelings, intuition [hunches] as opposed to logic, reason and science - hence they shed away from doing any serious research on the matter, preferring mainly to be dependent on questionable documents and "eyewitnesses".

Except...

I just don't believe the Germans 'gassed' the Jews, that's all -- and if there is a document which supports this absurd allegation, it must be forged, faked or otherwise altered -- because the Germans never 'gassed' the Jews.

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CODOH Circus

We can rely on the Cesspit to bring us the best unintended humor out there.

In this thread an exposed falsificator "polardude" tries to cast doubt on legitimate photos. He thinks that on this photo the "street lamp which is standing in the middle of this waste land seems out of place".

Interestingly, he is quickly corrected:

It's not a streetlamp. It's a pole and there's a small stain on the picture or on the negative.

Update: the embarrassing thread has been deleted, as usual.