Showpieces of "Revisionist" stupidity/mendacity ...

... are being discussed in the RODOH forum's thread Was Goebbels out of the Extermination loop?, where "Thomas Dalton" is being quoted by his fellow "Revisionist" Ralph Gordon. See my posts nos. 11943, 11945 and 11949.

Hi there, Mr. CODOH Forum Moderator

Could you please reactivate my account?

Ban period is over.

Update, 21.02.2010 13:51 hours GMT: Still waiting for reactivation.

Update, 22.02.2010 08:20 hours GMT: Still waiting for reactivation.

Update, 22.02.2010 23:17 hours GMT: Still waiting for reactivation. What's the matter?

Update, 23.02.2010 23:53 hours GMT: Still waiting for reactivation. Are they afraid of me?

Update, 27.02.2010 12:46 hours GMT: Still waiting for reactivation. It seems they are afraid of me indeed.

Update, 07.03.2010 11:22 hours GMT: Still waiting for reactivation. Meanwhile, on the "CODOH Revisionist forum ...

Mr. Gerdes drives another nail into the "Revisionist" coffin

On the "CODOH Revisionist Forum" (where my account has not yet been reactivated even though the one-month period of the ban decreed on 19.01.2010 has already expired; I have sent an e-mail to the moderator requesting reactivation), my old friend Greg Gerdes accomplished something extraordinary for his low intellect and character.



After again repeating his simian "locate/prove the existence of just one mass grave containing 1/xth of y% of the alleged mass murder at z extermination camp" - hollering (see here and here), and having apparently realized that his fellow true believers didn't give a fuck anymore about this nonsense (last commented by me here), he opened a thread called jews, Transit Camps and the Soviet Gulag. On this thread, after briefly repeating his mendacious "not so much as one single grave [snip blah, blah, blah]" - mantra, he tried to provide evidence (yes, believe it or not: Gerdes tried to provide evidence!) that the Jews deported to "the fraudulently alleged 'pure extermination centers'", which "were in fact transit camps" (i.e. the at least about 1,517,500 Jews deported to Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka, thereof ca. 152,000 to Chelmno, 434,500 to Belzec, 150,000 to Sobibor and 781,000 to Treblinka, see my RODOH post # 11878) ended up in the Soviet Gulag and perished there.

Considering Greg Gerdes'private standards of evidence as concerns Nazi crimes, which obviously require not only physically locating and establishing the dimensions of the mass graves and the quality of their contents (that has been done by archaeological investigation regarding all aforementioned camps except Treblinka, where Polish criminal investigators found a large area covered by human remains and established the depth of at least one mass grave, but did not determine the precise location and dimensions of each grave - see my RODOH post # 11879), but also physically locating and quantifying the human remains contained in each grave, one would expect the evidence for Gerdes' "The real jewish holocaust - by Soviet Gulag" - case to consist wholly or mainly of physical evidence to the burial of enormous numbers of Jewish bodies at the site of former Gulag camp complexes like Kolyma and Vorkuta.

What we get instead is this:

I would like to present, as exhibit # 1 for this thread - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's book - The Gulag Archipelago. If you haven't read this book yet, you don't know the holohoax. It will give you answers for things that you didn't even know there were questions about.

And for exhibit # 2, I give you:


Surviving the Camps but Struggling in Brooklyn

New York Times, January 21, 2010

By JENNIFER MASCIA


Ruth Usherenko keeps an improbably thick book on a table beside the couch in her living room. In it are roughly 58,000 names, all belonging to Jewish Berliners who perished during Hitler's regime. "All my girlfriends, all my relatives, all my neighbors are in here,"

...Beside her sat her sister, Toni Usherenko, 85, equally diminutive and delicate, who spoke in the same halting hybrid of Russian and English. The two live a block apart in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, maintaining a closeness forged during World War II and later in a Siberian prison camp...

The sisters spent their early years in Neustrelitz, a town in northern Germany. After their father, a tailor, became a target of Nazi intimidation, the family moved to Berlin...

The girls' father was badly beaten in the riot, suffering a heart attack and a damaged kidney. Three years later, he was taken to Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he perished.

Weeks after their father was apprehended, Ruth, Toni and their mother were taken to Gross-Rosen , a work camp...

In 1945, the three women were sent by the Soviets to a labor camp in Siberia; they were considered suspect because of their religion and their German provenance.

"We couldn't speak one word of Russian," Ruth Usherenko recalled. "They didn't feed us. When people died, they didn't bury them — they put them in the forest and the wolves were eating them."

So complete was their isolation that they did not know when the war ended. "Stalin passed away in 1953, and they released us in 1955," Ruth Usherenko recalled. "A woman came to us and said, `The war is over.' "

The three women settled in the Ukrainian town of Dnepropetrovsk, where they worked as milliners. The sisters married — Ruth to a shoemaker and Toni to an aviation engineer — and in 1981, after years of trying to leave the Soviet Union, the families were able to emigrate to Brooklyn...

But having money for heat is most important to Ms. Usherenko, perhaps because the cold is a reminder of the frigid decade she spent in Siberia. "They put us in a cold school, no steam," she recounted. "We had one blanket for me, my mother and my sister. Everybody died."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/nyreg ... mps&st=cse

Having read Solshenizyn's The Gulag Archipelago myself, I don't remember having found much there about Jewish victims of Stalinist violence. One or the other individual whose name is mentioned in the book may be Jewish, the purge against Jewish doctors, artists and intellectuals of the late Stalin era is addressed, and that's it, IIRC. But let's give Gerdes the benefit of doubt and assume that he presented Solshenizyn's book only as evidence of the existence and operation of the Soviet Gulag camps. For this purpose I can accept his "exhibit 1", even though Gerdes nowhere explains why memoirs of a not exactly impartial Soviet dissident should be better proof of the Gulag than the research and investigation results of historians and mostly German criminal investigators, who discovered, cross-checked and evaluated a large body of eyewitness, documentary and physical evidence, including but not limited to what is quoted or referred to in my aforementioned RODOH posts, is proof of the mass murder at the Nazi extermination camps. I assume that proof of the death of over 1.5 million Jewish deportees in the Soviet Gulag, the existence of which Gerdes considers proven by his "exhibit # 1", is supposed to be contained in "exhibit # 2".

"Exhibit # 2" is an article in the New York Times about two elderly Jewish sisters living in Brooklyn, Ruth and Toni Usherenko, who during World War II were deported by the Nazis to Gross-Rosen concentration camp in Poland. When Soviet troops overran this camp in 1945, the two ladies and their mother were "considered suspect because of their religion and their German provenance", and eventually sent to a labor camp in Siberia, from where they were only released in 1955, two years after Stalin's death. Then they lived in the Soviet Union until 1981 before emigrating to the United States.

I'd say that presenting this as evidence that the Jews deported to Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka "transit camps" (for whose transportation to the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories or to labor camps in Poland there is not a shred of evidence in the first place, even though there would be a huge paper trail and thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses if either or both had occurred) is further evidence, arguably some of the best evidence yet, that Greg Gerdes has as much brain matter as is suggested by his aspect. For apart from displaying his flagrant double standards in the dumbest manner, and from idiotically insinuating that one can derive conclusions about the fate of at least over 1.5 million people from the story of just two individuals, he apparently didn't notice that neither of the two old ladies was deported to any of the extermination camps Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka. Neither were they deported to any of the dual purpose camps Auschwitz-Birkenau and Majdanek, which served both as concentration camps and as extermination camps. No, they were deported to Gross Rosen, a plain concentration camp. Many of the inmates of that camp were not Jewish, and of the about 120,000 prisoners who passed through the Gross-Rosen camp system, "only" 40,000 died either in Gross-Rosen or during the evacuation of the camp. That was where the two key witnesses for Gerdes'case (it's also extraordinary that Gerdes all of a sudden accepts as evidence the testimony of eyewitnesses, moreover Jewish ones) spent the war. The never even got close to the places of mass murder that Gerdes calls "transit camps".

While I'm not surprised that someone as limited as Gerdes makes a fool of himself in such a pitiable manner, the hilariously silly claim that Gerdes "drives another nail into the Holocoffin" with his "evidence" was made not by Gerdes, but by a slightly more intelligent - though no less obnoxious - "Revisionist" from New Zealand, who posts on the RODOH forum as "little gray rabbit" (the alias he finally stuck with after having used at least half a dozen others). This gentleman posted Gerdes' above-quoted "exhibit # 2" in his RODOH thread Mr Gerdes drives another nail into the Holocoffin, followed by the cryptic remark "Any comment by me is superfluous". After his silliness was pointed out by Jonathan Harrison and Wahrheitseeker, and after his brother-in-spirit ralphgordon asked him what point he was trying to make, lgr tuned down his rhetoric and argued that this "exhibit" cast doubt on the accuracy of records of people murdered by the Nazis, in which he "expected" the sisters Ruth and Toni Usherenko to have at some time been or still be included:

Gerdes put it over at CODOH, its from the New York Times. The point is not particularly difficult, 3 alleged Holocaust victims were taken off to Siberia and then not allowed to leave Russia for 40 more years. I expect at some point they would have been included on a list of murdered by the Nazis - and perhaps they still are, as the article does not give their unmarried names.

Unfortunately for lgr, the Usherenko sisters had been residing in Germany before their deportation, and Germany is one of the countries that have a more or less complete record of the names and other personal data and of the individual fates of Jews living on their pre-war territory who fell victim to Nazi persecution and mass murder. Since 2007, an internet edition of the "Gedenkbuch – Opfer der Verfolgung der Juden unter der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft in Deutschland 1933 – 1945" (Memorial Book - Victims of Persecution of the Jews under the National Socialist Rule of Violence in Germany 1933 - 1945) is available on the website of the German Federal Archives in Koblenz. This online database, which includes 159,972 names of Jews who had resided in Germany within its borders as of 31 December 1937, thereof about 155,000 murdered persons, made it possible to check whether lgr's insinuation was pertinent or just "Revisionist" wishful thinking. If Ruth and Toni Usherenko were mentioned in the Federal Archives' database as having fallen victim to Nazi persecution and mass murder, this would mean that said database cannot be necessarily relied upon and information from there should be cross-checked against other sources before using it. If, on the other hand, the two sisters' names were absent from the database, this would mean that they were not wrongly recorded as victims of Nazi persecution and mass murder, and thus speak for the reliability of the database.

The searches done by Dr. Neander and me (see Dr. Neander's posts nos. 562, 563, 564 and 565 and my post # 11919) revealed that Ruth and Toni Usherenko are nowhere mentioned in the Federal Archives'database. On the other hand, we managed to find the man who in all probability was the ladies' father, Nachim Usherenko. As Dr. Neander pointed out, N. Usherenko was a tailor in Berlin (just like the two sisters' father), who lived in the city between 1936 and 1941; he was the only man by that name recorded in the Berlin address book. The sisters' father was a tailor who moved to Berlin some time after the Nazis came to power, according to the NYT article. Nachim Usherenko was deported to Sachsenhausen and perished there, just like the sisters' father. The chances that Nachim Usherenko was not the father of Ruth and Toni Usherenko are thus rather remote.

So thanks to Gerdes' and lgr's attempt to drive "another nail into the Holocoffin", Dr. Neander and I found out that Nachim Usherenko succumbed to Nazi violence and is accordingly recorded in the Federal Archives' database, that his daughters Ruth and Toni survived Nazi violence and are not recorded in this database of Jews from Germany murdered by the Nazis, and that it can therefore be assumed that the Federal Archives did a proper job and recorded as Jews from Germany murdered by the Nazis only Jews from Germany actually murdered by the Nazis. Another puerile attempt to vindicate "Revisionist" nonsense was another glorious shot in the "Revisionist" foot - or, to paraphrase lgr's expression, another nail in the "Revisionist" coffin.

The Federal Archives' database (click the icon "Namensverzeichnis" at bottom of page, which leads to this mask, check the field "Deportationsort", insert the name of the camp after "Suchen nach" and click the icon "Suche starten" at the bottom of the mask) contains, among others, the names of Jews from Germany deported to Chelmno (2,570 names), Belzec (290 names), Sobibor (5,689 names; regarding some deportees it is uncertain whether the final destination was Sobibor or Majdanek) and Treblinka (7,800 names). If Mr. Gerdes can prove that any of these people ended up in the Soviet Gulag, I'll send him a big box of bananas.

PS, 23.02.2010, 11:05 hours GMT:

Mr. Gerdes seems to have worn out his welcome on CODOH indeed, or then at least one of his fellow "Revisionists" has grown understandably tired of Gerdes' repetitive remixes of the same stupid song. On his thread New NAFH challenge/reward offer, Gerdes' imbecilic rhetorical question:

Would you say that the hoaxers utter silence proves that there are no human remains in fraudulently alleged Sobibor "huge mass grave" #7/45?

received the following reply from "Lamprecht" (which of course caused Gerdes to freak out and give Lamprecht the "show me just one this and that" - treatment):

Their utter silence proves that they don't care about what you have to say, and pretending that they're ignoring you for the sole reason that they can't answer your questions is dishonest and sophomoric.

Apart from the "sole" thing ("hoaxers" can answer all of Gerdes' questions to the extent they are pertinent and relevant and not just hollow rhetorical bluster, which however applies to only a minority of said questions at best, and this particular "hoaxer" has answered Gerdian questions many times before whereas Gerdes left hundreds of my questions unanwered), Lamprecht is right. We don't care about Gerdes' hysterical, moronic hollering. However, this writer likes to occasionally use Gerdes' tirades as an opportunity to a) present evidence inconvenient to "Revisionist" articles of faith, most of which Gerdes prefers to ignore, and b) use Gerdes as a splendid demonstration object of "Revisionist" ... well, ill-reasoning, to put it politely. And I intend to do so on the "CODOH Revisionist Forum", to the extent that the moderator should permit it. I hope my account has been activated since yesterday evening.

HSRDB.com libels Roberto and me

As of now we can see this disclaimer on that site [screenshot]:

On the 18th February, this site was suspended due to threats by Holocaust fanatics.

This site will be re-launched on 22nd February 2010 and will no longer be hosting databases associated with the Holocaust or World War Two until further notice. We are currently accepting requests for databases related to significant historical events that occurred during World War One.

Have a suggestion?

We would like to take the opportunity to thank all contributors to the project to date.

Why did this happen?

Two Holocaust fanatics, Mr. Roberto Muehlenkamp and Mr.Sergy Romanov have apparently been attempting to derail this project by fraudulently claiming that it is a Holocaust denial website.

They have never been associated with, nor contributed to this project. They have based their criticisms on the contributions of others and ignored the stated goals of this project. Sensitive information and photographs were obtained by hacking a private Gmail account belonging to a web-designer who was attempting to generate interest I the project. This information was subsequently used to threaten our contributors and my family personally.

It is a shame that certain elements within society resort to such tactics to achieve their ends, destroying the good work of other in the process.

As a side note, it's interesting how these claims mirror the claims of another mentally unbalanced person - Carmelo Lisciotto (of holocaustresearchproject.org) - who through a series of fake blogs tries to spread rumors that me and Nick hacked deathcamps.org because apparently we're closet Holocaust deniers (for the real story behind deathcamps.org demise click here). All these internet loons have poor fantasy and a single old playbook, just changing the sign as necessary (Holocaust deniers/Holocaust fanatics).

Anyway, no, nobody of us had any relation to the alleged hacking of any email, and we doubt that any email was hacked in the first place (this is a mere unfounded claim by a person who lies as he breathes). But yes, information about the person behind that site was obtained after he legally threatened the members of RODOH and RODOH itself for something he didn't like (i.e. people calling him an antisemite). We don't like frivolous legal threats coming from semi-anonymous a-holes, so we decided to take a look at what Google had in store. Tracking down the owner's information was ridiculously easy since he was very stupid by sharing it with everybody.

1. His Facebook page had publicly accessible photos of him and his family, though under an assumed surname (which he had used at RODOH and elsewhere).

2. He tested the first version of HRSDB on the site he created for his son (what kind of person does that?). Although he deleted it, the Google cache still shows numerous traces even as I write this text (Google cache is temporary, but it lasts for some time; in any case we've taken screenshots).

3. The public domain name registration records of various sites confirmed his identity.

So after numerous legal threats issued by this person right and left, and after he created a libelous website about Roberto with the threat of exposing "everything" about Roberto and his private life ("You see, as you are obviously such a special person, the world really should know EVERYTHING there is to know about you, your views and your personal life. I intend to go DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP buddy. Real deep."), I suggested to him that I might also expose this collected information, especially to the local police of the city he now resides in the country where Holocaust denial and antisemitic propaganda are illegal.

That was the extent of the "threats" mentioned in the disclaimer. So Richard is just being hypocritical.

As to the claims about that website being fraudulent, see this article by Jonathan and decide for yourself.

Another mind that "Revisionism" attracts

The self-projecting sociopath who hopes to work wonders for "Revisionism" with the database he is putting together under http://www.hsrdb.com ("Just wait until this new database that cross-references ALL the witness testimonies about these topics in one report goes online - the gross inconsistencies will be exposed once and for all."; screenshot) has reacted to my previous blog in a manner that is hardly surprising.



First he freaked out, as becomes his pathological state of mind.

Then, after expanding the website he created for bitching about me (screenshot of what it looked like yesterday at 14:19 hours GMT, prior to said expansion), he decided to put it up "for sale" (screenshot taken on 19.02.2009 at 11:40 hours GMT), giving the address "me@RobertoMuehlenkamp.com" for "direct inquiries".

This madman, who like others of his kind is attracted to "Revisionist" madness, has been active on the web under two names, Richard L. and Richard A. The former is the name under which he registered the website http://www.hsrdb.com. The latter is a "dummy name" used "by our contributors to enter forums", according to a message on the RODOH forum in which our friend, besides spouting other confused nonsense, accuses me or my "associate" of having hacked his e-mail account and "accessed personal and sensitive emails" (I don't know who my "associate" could be, and I couldn't hack anything even if were to try, because my computer skills don't go beyond handling a PC from a user's perspective). Both names are probably pseudonyms, so I'll simply call the fellow by the name "Richard", under which he posted on this blogspot. Richard apparently lives in Prague, as Sergey found out along with other information.

Richard's fits of hysteria concerning me started when I posted this message on the RODOH forum:

Your posts are way too long for their meager content, Mr. Just The Truth * (Posters are not to refer to fellow posters as by anything but their real names unless given permission to do otherwise. NKVD) .

Try providing some evidence that would support your "transit camp" claim. If hundreds of thousands of people had been transported from Treblinka "transit camp" to the "Russian East", you would have a huge paper trail and thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses to choose from.

In the original version of this message, edited by the moderator, I had addressed Richard not by his forum handle "JustTheTruth", but by a misspelled version of what I thought was his surname, which I remembered having seen somewhere on the RODOH board (I haven't found the respective post since; it may have been deleted to accommodate Richard's proclaimed anonymity concerns). As Richard informed the board in his above-mentioned later message, that name is a "dummy name". So what made him freak out was probably not his privacy paranoia but my reference to an unsolvable "Revisionist" dilemma (the absence of any evidence suggesting deportation from Treblinka extermination camp to the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories, even though such evidence should be plentiful if such deportations had taken place) plus my criticism of his posts being "too long for their meager content" (the latter may have been predominant in triggering his rage, considering that sociopaths tend to have a "grandiose sense of self" and be "outraged by insignificant matters"). This adds a touch of characteristic mendacity to the fellow's furious yelling in several posts of equal content on the RODOH forum (here, here, here and here). I responded to this yelling in my posts nos. 11907 and 11908.

Meanwhile, Richard had also found my e-mail address, presumably in my blog profile, and started sending silly threats and accusations and other hysterical nonsense my way. These e-mail messages, as announced in my previous blog (the bitching website is still in place, even though its content is currently not visible, and Richard is using an e-mail address with my name in it) shall be transcribed hereafter, also in order to complete Richard's pathology profile as currently known, and for the amusement value of some of his utterances (his "success story" bragging I find especially funny, and his having "sat up for three hours deciding how to respond" to my "terrorism" made me laugh out loud). I also transcribe my replies to these mails. Any further comments are unnecessary, as our friend brilliantly condemns himself through his own words. I have made Richard's gmail-surname unrecognizable, even though it is a dummy according to Richard, lest any decent citizen bearing the same surname be associated with this individual.

You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 11:08:39 AM
From:
Richard Axxxx
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Roberto, I really appreciate your "exposing" me on the RODOH forum and
publishing my name in an attempt to intimidate me, you cowardly fuck. I
think you might realize soon that this was a serious error in judgement on
you part and will not be something you do again in a hurry.

But *how fucking dare you?*

Who the fuck do you think you are to play a game with my life?

You might be some self-appointed nazi-hater dipstick and believe you are an
some sort of mission - but to the outside world you are just a deranged and
unhinged fuckhead with no common decency whatsoever.

Obviously you want to play with me, so lets play Roberto.

I am now going to turn MY attention to YOU and doing a little "exposing" of
my own.

I notice you work for Siemens as a "Contract Manager" - you really are a
big-time being an EMPLOYEE and must be pulling down the big bucks - lol
Lets hope you are really secure in your job, it might be a shame to be
looking for new employment during a global recession. Of course having
retired at 42, I have no such worries.

Well lets also hope that Siemens don't mind being associated with an
employee that will be soon gaining a very prominent profile across the
internet for all the wrong reasons.

Presumably, you have the support of your employer for your extra-curricular
activities? You will soon be needing it let me assure you.

I hope you will enjoy what I have planned for you Roberto. I sat up for
three hours deciding how to respond to your terrorism and decided that
fuckers like you rarely understand anything but direct action - so that is
what you are getting. 100%

So I just registered www.RobertMuehlenkam.com and have ordered an nice new
website to be constructed, just in your honor Roberto.

You see, as you are obviously such a special person, the world really should
know EVERYTHING there is to know about you, your views and your personal
life. I intend to go DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP buddy. Real deep.

To make sure the site comes up as in the first page of

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 2:24:36 PM
From:
Guadalupe Salcedo [Chat now]
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Hi Mr. Axxxx,

While I had no intention to "expose" you when addressing you by your last name (which I though was "Axxxx" after reading it in an e-mail message of yours somewhere on the RODOH board, sorry for the mistake), I cannot help laughing at your hysterical reaction and the silly threats you're sending my way.

So you want to "expose" me to my employers. Just go ahead, you'll be telling them nothing they don't know already, and it doesn't look like they have a problem with one of their employees fighting Holocaust denial in his spare time, which may even be considered an act of social responsibility. If I were a Holocaust denier they would pull my ears, but I would also have no problem with your trying to defame me in this sense, as I can easily prove that I'm on the side of the good guys. If you bother my employers with your story, they will probably tell you that they don't mind my activities as long as they don't interfere with my work productivity, as a former hierarchical superior told me once in the same context. And if you pester them too much, they will probably send their legal advisers your way.

So you want to open a website to bitch around about me? Just go ahead, you'll only be increasing my ratings and showing everybody that you are a mentally unbalanced person desperately in need of psychiatric assistance. I'll look in and have a laugh about your nonsense every once in a while, on the HC blog or wherever else I consider appropriate.

You want to "bury" into my personal life? There's nothing to hide there, so whoever you want to "expose" me to will get bored pretty soon. Unless you want to indulge in libel and defamation, that is. If this should be your intention, I trust you will at least be man enough to send me your address so I can take the proper legal steps against such activity.

That said, I would like to give you some friendly advice: go see a psychiatrist. From what your writings have revealed and what I little know about psychiatry, I'd say you suffer from a serious case of schizophrenia, with what I think is called egomania (everything revolves around you) and paranoia (everybody is after you and wants to do you some harm) as the outstanding symptoms. For your own sake and for the sake of your environment, you should do something about your malady. And rest assured that I'll be glad to hear of your therapeutic progress.

With my best regards,

Roberto Muehlenkamp

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 5:00:41 PM
From:
Richard Axxxx
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We will see who is laughing shortly, wheels are in motion buddy...

"While I had no intention to "expose" you when addressing you by your last name..." Pull the other one you lying sack of shit - you clearly had the intention to "expose" me or the silly fucking thought of using my name would never have occurred to you. As my friend commented today - "what sort of sick individual would do something like that?" - Answer is YOU!

Go look at your ugly face in the mirror and see for yourself.

The methods you employ to debase arguments are patently transparent to even the casual observer.

I simply tried to generate some debate but you and your ilk have no time for others opinions if they don't agree with yours, despite the stated purpose of the forum. You are the very fucking definition of intolerance which is the very Shiite that is preached by church of the true "believers" - ie. dips like you that have no objectivity whatsoever; so you decided to "out" me.

Please explain your thought process that lead you to deciding to post my name? What exactly was you motivation? Where was your provocation?

Now you have the affront to threaten legal action on the basis that I might post some "opinions" about you online, when you are your other "special" friend Sergy were happy to defame me by calling me an anti-semite and using my name. This is called defamation here in the UK where we have some of the best legislation in the world.

So if this is the path you would like to follow, I am more than willing. You better realize that this is no idle threat and WILL actually involve you spending real money once the process starts.

I assume you will be divulging your real name and contact details and your Solicitor's (if you actually have one) so we can get started within 48 hours?

I am course am more than happy to give you full details and will instruct my Solicitor to make contact with yours. But I will wager that you will ignore this as your threats are as valid as your advice - you are a therapist now I see...


What you don't really seem to grasp is that I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU OR JEWS OR REVISIONISTS OR THE HOLOCAUST. FULL STOP!

I do however care about my reputation and will defend it at all costs.

I also care about TRUTH IN HISTORY unlike you and your "you agree with us - or you are against us" dipsticks that want the rest of us to believe whatever you conclude with questions. Sorry but I want my kids to engage in real debate not be force-fed by the self-appointed high-priests of history like you.

What is your actual link to this debate - are you Jewish by any chance?

GET OVER YOURSELF - YOU ARE A NOBODY and most people could not give a flying fuck about the bile your spout or your opinions.

You are a deluded sociopath, plain and simple.

I, on the other hand am a retired (at 42) entrepreneur who is financially secure, own a property portfolio and have investments that generate more than enough for me to never work another day in my life maintaining a lifestyle that makes losers like you bitter. I have have patents registered for two of my inventions that earn me substantial royalties annually, have had 4 highly successful businesses and employed 213 people in the course of my life; making two of them rich enough to also retire before 50.

I studied psychology in my spare time in order to help people in need and worked for a year for a charity for nominal wage to give something back to my community. I am now supporting a not-for-profit historical research project that is aimed at HELPING people learn history in a new way; not only with my time, but financially as well. Five years ago I founded a charity that recycles obsolete computer equipment and software from Australian businesses for free distribution to orphanages in Nairobi with the aim to assist children to learn valuable new skills. To date we have delivered over 13,000 IT components to twelve different community projects.

In other words, I am a success story - a contributing member of society. Your "opinions" therefore are rendered invalid by the facts, which is why I suspect you have launched such an attack - because people like you are scared of objective people like me as we often expose your "opinions" as bullshit by the very nature of our approach, Just the Truth!

So you call us anti-semite. Fuck you, the horse you rode in on and Chana the liar too!

So what the hell have you ever done, other that post your pathetic opinions on FEEE FORUMS?

I mean you believe in your cause so much you cant even invest in your own website like a typical freeloader!

I have checked you out and so far - a big fat NOTHING!

A mouthpiece is all you will be remembered as.

So I will be waiting for your Solicitor's details then...

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 5:38:50 PM
From:
Richard Axxxx
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Roberto

As a side issue, I guess it was just coincidence that my gmail account got hacked at the same time was it?

Pull the other one!

The Met Police in London were notified this morning as this is a criminal offense in the UK and were supplied with your IP address (isn't technology great) as you are the only suspect.

As a direct consequence of this unauthorized access, my entire project team had to implement new security measures which are expected to cost in the vicinity of £2500 and our project manager suggests you were at the very least "recklessly indifferent" by your actions and wants to pursue you for costs.

I guess you wont be remaining anonymous for long...

I am still waiting for your Solicitor's details....

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 5:56:51 PM
From:
Guadalupe Salcedo [Chat now]
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To: Richard Axxxx
Project team? I thought you had retired.

I'll let you into a little secret, Mr. Axxxx.

I couldn't hack anything even if I tried. I'm not too bad at handling a PC from a user's perspective, but that sums up my computer skills.

If you have money to waste on pointless legal actions, just go and throw it out of the window. It's your problem, not mine.

And I suggest you stop sending me these ridiculous threatening e-mails. I think that's called harrassment and would entitle me to take legal steps against you.

Cheers,
Roberto

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 6:15:45 PM
From:
Richard Axxxx
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To: Guadalupe Salcedo
Hey Roberto, check out the new website updates...

Nice to finally talk to you personally and I am glad you are taking this as a joke! After all you are one of the self-appointed "good-guys" - a super-hero masquerading as a regular guy. More people in your position should have your unique sense of humor.

So I am able to update your BIO, do you have any non-Jewish causes you support?

Also, for the record, how did you become involved in debating Holocaust revisionists?
I have seen some suggestions online, but I would rather hear it directly from you - wouldn't want any stray "opinions" on your very own website would we?

Latest news is that tomorrow we will have the blog and guestbook up on the site - how exciting for you. We can even run opinion polls!

Looking forward to your feedback.


Best regards

Richard

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Tue, February 16, 2010 7:14:46 PM
From:
Richard Axxxx
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To: Guadalupe Salcedo
Roberto,

You were the one threatening legal action I simply accepted.

You have, as I suspected been blowing more hot air around with no intention of carrying through; but I warn you, that wont deter me from my new project.

However I am a reasonable man so any time you feel like offering me a sincere apology and providing the assurance that you and your dipstick buddy will never again attempt to defame or insult me publicly me in future, I will quite happily get back to my project and have nothing further to do with you.

I might even give you this website as a gift, you never know...

And by the way, I donate my time to a project that I believe is worthwhile as I want to give something back to society as a WHOLE and no longer want the pressures of being involved in a commercial enterprise. If you and your "believer" dips could over yourselves, you might actually see that a project like the one I am contributing to could be a great asset to you - after all the Holocaust did happen didn't it, so what are you so afraid of?

Have you ever stopped to consider that the way you act makes reasonable people think you have something to hide or you have no real faith in your beliefs - just obsession. As things stand for now however your side has had nothing but negativity and insults to offer, ZERO contributions but lots of paranoid inferences. Nice work as the revisionist have already been contributing and have requested 3 new databases. You morons even used this as a basis for claiming it was a revisionist site; even going so far as to infer that the statements at the bottom of EVERY page were some sort of ruse to fool you (like anyone really gives a shit about a bunch of circle-jerkers and fooling them - most people take statements like that at face value as expected), and if we called another site TreblinkaTransitCamp.com instead of DeathCamp like we DID, we would have to JUSTIFY this. To whom exactly? The RODOH members?

What planet are you people on?

If we were "revisionists" we would redirect the DeathCamp to TransitCamp and explain why the death camp stuff is all bullshit - only we are NOT.

Do yourself a favor and actually read the info on the websites and my posts about the project you might finally grasp what we are trying to achieve and why Treblinka was chosen as a test database and site. No conspiracy, just clever PR by starting with a controversial topic and stimulating debate to generate interest in the project with negligible costs.

But then we never expected to encounter a forum like RODOH or people like you or your buddy Sergy.

Just so you know we were advised today that it wold take one communication from our Solicitors to yuku.com to have the RODOH forum removed from their servers immediately and probably for good. However they responded promptly and acted in good faith to remedy the situation so we saw no point in taking it further.

Would have been a great score for us if we were really revisionists and anti-semites wouldn't it?

It is also rather interesting that this (the project) was the only part of my message you focused upon - and reminiscent of how that RODOH forum operates. It's called cherry-picking and you are a consummate master. You would not last one second in a court-room my friend with your approach - unless it was one of the show-trials you so love to rely upon.

The ball is in your court...


Best regards

Richard

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Thu, February 18, 2010 2:18:35 PM
From:
Guadalupe Salcedo [Chat now]
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To: Richard Axxxx
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/owner-of-this-website.html

From: Guadalupe Salcedo
To: Richard Axxxx
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:00:35 PM
Subject: Re: You gutless sociopath!

PS: That would be "laugh their heads off". Sorry for the mistake. English is not my native language.


From: Guadalupe Salcedo
To: Richard Axxxx
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:59:13 PM
Subject: Re: You gutless sociopath!

I threatened legal action? There's your paranoia again, Mr. Amies.

An easier way to keep you from clogging my mailbox with your trash is to make all of it public for the folks to laugh their heads of about it.

Which is what I will do upon receiving your next message.

Cheers,
Roberto

Re: You gutless sociopath!
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Thu, February 18, 2010 9:45:57 PM
From:
Richard Axxxx
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To: Guadalupe Salcedo
Dear Roberto.

I appreciate your posts on your blog. Seems you are a remorseless idiot and delusional to boot.

Let me break this down for you so you actually get it and stop embarrassing yourself with your posts.

1/ I don't own the www.hsrdb.com website you ignoramus - and you will be on the receiving end of a little bit of legal action yourself if you repeat this accusation again publicly considering your "outing" of my "name" that was linked to your associate's claims of aniti-semitism: is this clear enough for you?

We are still waiting for your Solicitor's details........................................................... and waiting...............................and waiting...............................

Have you ever heard of whois?

Just like your other "opinions" expressed online this is also exposed as complete BULLSHIT when compared to the facts.

You are FULL OF SHIT an you know it, but keep on lying anyway.

ONLINE CHALLENGE: Prove I am the owner of www.hsrdb.com and I will give you £1000.00

CAN'T: Then Give ME and HSRDB an APOLOGY you gutless egghead!

Bet you wont - because facts and TRUTH are of NO INTEREST TO YOU.


Furthermore when did I clam to be a Solicitor?

Another "interpretation" of the facts to suit your delusions?


ONLINE CHALLENGE: Prove I claimed to be a Solicitor and I will give you £1000.00

CAN'T: Then Give ME an APOLOGY you gutless egghead!

Any reasonable person would have understood my outrage at your attempting to "out" me as an anti-semite (a highly offensive and derogatory term) using my "real" name online because I dared express common arguments about the holocaust to generate interest in a website project I was working on. You or your associate hacked my email account and accessed personal and sensitive emails. But not you.

Many hours and thousands of pounds were spend responding to this security threat.

You are so delusional you seem to think this is OK.

You then decide to prove you had no valor whatsoever by blatantly ignoring my clear invitation for an apology to end our dispute, instead posting more BS online via your blog.

Well, now I have have a little something for you and will explain the purpose of the "roberto" website because obviously you are not so bright.

We registered it to get you to visit it. YES YOU - and your IP address - which we captured with EVERY VISIT - after all you would be the only one who would bother to go there. When you did, we captured your IP addresses and are now following up re the security breaches and our Solicitors will be contacting the service providers or owners of the IP. You might not be too popular with them, and they might be like you and not want to hear your "excuses" when forming their opinions. You would not have a problem with this of course as you ADVOCATE DISCRIMINATION AND INTOLERANCE of others.

Enjoy being on the receiving end of your own BS for a change.

And yes - Legal action IS pending as the costs associated with your little stunts have been considerable. We have instructed our Solicitors, Gillams to serve and injection against you, your dipstick buddy Sergy and your service providers. We assume most of your posts will be deleted as a precaution as we are also deliberately being ambiguous in our allegations and demanding all posts be removed. Guess there will only be your website for your followers to log-on to to get updates.

You really are a sucker, you really thought we would defame you in response to your defamation! How stupid do you think we are? Guess you assumed everyone else was as paranoid, obsessional and stupid as you. Sorry buddy, but most of us have a life...

Now for the fun part.

You were provided with a reasonable opportunity to apologize - you ignored it, confirming that you are completely unrepentant about what you did and are clearly an unbalance sociopath as originally suggested.

Your sick intention was to "out" me and my wife and children - you pathetic loser - so more lunatics like you could hopefully abuse us. Motivation?

Scaring me into silence. You are ONE SICK INDIVIDUAL.

So after careful consideration of your response with my buddies over some beers, I realized that indeed, a sociopath like you would not be troubled by exposure of you methods as you actually appear proud of them. You would presumably bask in the attention you received. We don't buy the bullshit about your anonymous employer, but thanks for the advice anyway.

So instead I have donated the site to a New Zealand guy who really likes Adolph Hitler, your hero. He tells me that under his management the site will be devoted to promoting his idol and supporting the revisionists arguments and a up-to-date source of news articles critical of your cause. Emails and forums are great as me@roberto... might start popping up with posts in the most unusual places. Absolutely no defamation of course.

You must be so excited!

Now comes the booby-prize for you.

Axxxx or Axxxx is NOT MY NAME you idiot. But I am starting to gather that we have yours right.

RichardAxxxx68@gmail.com is a DUMMY NAME used by our contributors to enter forums - DUH!!!!!!

The arguments used were selected from contributions from another forum - a PSYCHOLOGY FORUM. Anti-semitic ? You fucking idiots invented this BS and now you reject others using your own arguments....

By the way, you would have to be the BIGGEST IDIOT we have encountered during this project and have provided PROOF that some Jewish Holocaust supports are mentally unbalanced in their obsession with their "cause" and do their cause more harm than good. You have swallowed your own shit and it has made you sick - my advice to you is to get some help before you destroy your life and have a heart attack.

As for the project as I think I told you before, I could not give a fuck what you try to do; you will only make a fool of yourself and probably get sued as you ARE a resident of the EU you tosser and have already stepped over the line. Keep clocking up the actions dipstick.

Clearly you like playing with fire so you must be expecting to get burned. "Cause and effect"? lol

Bets regards, "Richard"

PS I am posting this on you forums so everyone can see what a Dickhead you are...

In one respect I fully agree with "success story" Richard: his vaunted database is no threat whatsoever to the historical record of mass murder at Treblinka extermination camp. Historiography and criminal justice (both of which Richard obviously knows as much about as a pig does about Sunday) have long learned how to deal with the "gross inconsistencies" that Richard makes a fuss and to put together an accurate account of events by crosschecking eyewitness testimonies against each other and against evidence of other categories. What Richard intends to do will rather benefit opponents of the "Revisionist" faith by putting at their disposal a handy collection of eyewitness accounts and other material about Treblinka. Absence of distortions provided, I may find things there to add to my collection of Treblinka eyewitness accounts, for instance. In this sense, Richard's work may well become a shot in the foot of "Revisionism", similar to those of Messrs. Krege and Mattogno. So please keep it up, Richard!

Ever seen a live meltdown?

Look no further: Richard aka JustTheTruth has one here, here, here, here and here. He doesn't even hide it anymore.

The owner of http://www.hsrdb.com ...

... is obviously a very sick person in urgent need of psychiatric assistance, judging by the threatening and/or just plain silly e-mails he has sent me, and by another website he recently created, as he told me he would.


On this other website, said person spouts some rather amusing nonsense about my person. Among other things, he attributes to me claims/opinions ("He also claims to be a Solicitor", "seems to believe that if you simply ask a question about the Holocaust (a subject very precious to him) that you are automatically an ANTI-SEMITE") that I don't remember having made or expressed (perhaps he's mixing me up with someone else), besides calling me names (including the obviously self-projecting "sociopath"), insinuating that I am not "consistent" about my identity and claiming that my employer (who he didn't find out about through me) denies to employ me.

In sum, said person shows the kind of confused, hysterical, mendacious and paranoid behavior that characterizes certain inhabitants of "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land I have come across, though he exceeds most of them.

Said person is hereby required to remove his aforementioned other website until 20 hours GMT of today, 18.02.2010.

Should he fail to do so, I shall

a) make public the e-mail messages he sent me, and

b) track him down to obtain what satisfaction for his libel/defamation I am legally entitled to.

Should it turn out that said person is not responsible for his actions due to insanity, I shall recommend to the appropriate authorities his internment in a mental health institution.

Guadalupe Salcedo, by the way, was a Colombian guerrilla leader in the 1950s. My featuring his name in my private e-mail address is a homage to this gentleman and to the country where I was born and raised.

http://www.hsrdb.com: Legitmate Revision or Denial?

This site [screenshot] claims that

This is NOT a Holocaust denial website, it is a FACT that the Holocaust happened.

How sincere is this claim? And why is it being made in the first place?

The site claims that its aim is "to assist historians, scholars and students interested in analyzing and comparing historical information". The original name of the site, obtained by Googling its mailing address, was Legitimate Revision [screenshots a, b]. We are of course wholly in favour of legitimate revision, but we might be curious as to why the site changed its name.

The answer is that one of the founders of the site is the Holocaust "revisionist" [screenshot] "JustTheTruth", who has posted comments to the HC blog using the name Richard. We know that JTT=Richard for two reasons. First of all, just like JTT, he had known about the "database" project before it was revealed. He also repeated some of Richard's specific arguments about Treblinka at CODOH. The second reason is irrefutable evidence which we will not post at this time, although it is publicly available, as it concerns Richard's private life. We made sure to save all of it, though, because Richard has made threats against RODOH and individual posters there.

For now, let's just note this public WHOIS information for HSRDB site [screenshot]:

Registrant:
Richard Lauren
329 Harrow Road
London, London W9 3RB
GB
Domain name: HSRDB.COM

On February 1st, Richard posted this [screenshot] at HC:

Just wait until this new database that cross-references ALL the witness testimonies about these topics in one report goes online - the gross inconsistencies will be exposed once and for all.

We will see exactly "who said what" about the means of gas production in one report - all source-referenced to eliminate disputes.

I cant wait...

Five days later he posted this at CODOH in response to the author of "One Third of the Holocaust" denial videos (debunked by us) [screenshot]:

by JustTheTruth » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:32 am

Hi Carto's Cutlass Supreme,

Interesting suggestion, thanks.

I am presently working on a project that uses a database with a web interface that allows the cross-referencing of historical sources regarding a particular topic of interest. The first is for Treblinka, so for example, shortly it will be able to produce reports that have quotes from every known testimony in relation to the Treblinka gas chambers and their engines etc; available by search menu.

Eventually it will cover every important aspect of the Treblinka camp - exposing the numerous contradictions in testimony. And if successful, databases can be also be created for all the important camps of the Holocaust.

The hope is for it to be a free research tool for historians and revisionists and student, so if it works as expected, I will see if I can make one for the Boder interviews. I'll keep you updated.

If you are interested in playing with the "beta" database, let me know...

Richard/JTT thus reveals that the real purpose of the site is "exposing the numerous contradictions in testimony".

This same person has posted threads at CODOH [screenshot] and RODOH [thread moved; screenshots a, b] that claim that the Jews were responsible for the actions the Nazis inflicted upon them:

Surely it is reasonable to argue that if the Jew's, by their own admission, willingly and deliberately engage in a course of conduct that they are acutely aware has resulted in repeated persecutions to those engaging in said conduct; they are, by doing so, instigating and provoking a an anticipated result and as such are directly responsible for any consequences thereof.

And:

No people ever DESERVE to be treated as the Jews were by the Nazis; however is it wrong to suggest that they CONTRIBUTED?

In legal terms this is called PROVOCATION which, in many jurisdictions, forms the basis for a lawful defenses to criminal charges such as assault.

Therefore in many legal jurisdictions, knowingly and deliberately engaging in such a course of conduct that provokes another party, implies consent regarding the actions of that party resulting from said conduct.

[...]

Without some sort of prior obligation or responsibility of host nations for the well-being of their Jewish guests, the Jewish peoples have no right to conduct themselves in a manner that is antagonistic toward their hosts. Am I wrong here?

One must ask why the Jewish people continue to blatantly conduct themselves in such a way that has seen their repeated persecuted throughout history?

How does the often warped logic of the holocaust manage to turn this fundamental principle of cause-and-effect on it's head so that people like you are prepared to debate it?

Stop for one second and ask yourself if you would tolerate a houseguest conducting themselves in a manner that showed that they had no respect for you, your family, your property, your traditions or your implied house rules?

You would kick them out, plain and simple. No need for "hate" or anti-anything for this simple trait of human nature to be evoked as the resident RODOH psychotherapist should well know. Am I wrong here?

(anyone who is silly enough to answer yes, please find the nearest homeless person and open up your home to them - no rule, no restrictions and then bask in the glory of knowing your are not an "anti-vagrant" like all the rest of us)

And:

Sorry if I am losing you with my explanation that I am just a normal guy, not a NAZI. I am sure you would just love me to be one of these nuts, just to suit you own idiotic rational that anyone who challenges that Holocuast is one.

(He admits he "challenges" the Holocaust.)

And:

No I was referring to Sergys use of it to somehow describe anti-semitism which could never be honestly achieved by a Jewish writer.

Etc., etc.

The site's bogus claim of neutrality can also be shown by its list of preferred topics [screenshot], where we have "Amazing Stories: German Kindness". Interestingly, there is even "Treblinka Zoo" on the list. Denier obsession with minor allegedly absurd things in camps is also known, and Treblinka zoo is one of them, as this posting by denier "Saggy" at JREF Forum shows. In any case, the lack of veracity of the "database" is shown by the fact that its list of alleged diesel gassing witnesses includes historian Poliakov and journalist Grossman who were never interned in the camp.

CODOH: The Forum That Moderated Itself to Death

by Jason Willis Myers

[Jason posted at different Internet forums for quite some time as "Wahrheit" and "Wahrheitseeker". Until recently he was a Holocaust denier. His voluminous output at CODOH, RODOH and elsewhere prevents any suspicion of him being an anti-"revisionist" mole. He was also one of the people at the root of "Inconvenient History" blog, though his contributions seem to have vanished. Not so long ago he has changed his views - a story to be told in the future, that's for sure.

 We think that what Jason has to say in this article is interesting and instructive.

 Note that HC team does not necessarily agree with opinions expressed by our guest bloggers or guarantee the accuracy of all their claims.]

CODOH: The Forum That Moderated Itself to Death

On February 8, 2010 I was permanently banned from the CODOH Revisionist forum. Ostensibly, the justification for my ban was my "pre-meditated" change of heart regarding the veracity of the "Holocaust tale", and my efforts to "dupe" CODOH readers.

That I had been a revisionist from 2005 to fall 2009 is clear, but after further study of the relevant literature, I decided that the evidence for a Nazi program of extermination was simply too overwhelming to deny any longer. More will be said of my change at a later time, but after hundreds of posts at the CODOH, RODOH, and History Channel forums arguing the revisionist case, and much work behind the scenes on various revisionist projects, I find the charge that I was "faking" as a revisionist the whole time to be ridiculous, to say the least.



The treatment I received at CODOH forum was no exception to the longtime rule. By the very nature of CODOH forum's guidelines, open debate was set up to fail. Posts are only allowed to contain one point, and thus, are inherently un-historical in their approach; one cannot honestly discuss history by forbidding the analysis of an event's context. Other rules do not appear as malignant, but are applied selectively, and are employed as a tool to rig debates.

Although name-calling is officially forbidden, one can easily search the forum and find many vile remarks regarding "believers" (the word "denier," in contrast, is prohibited); regarding the name-calling of revisionist posters and writers, however, this rule is strongly enforced. The same selective enforcement occurs regarding the "no dodging" instructions. Revisionist posters are freely able to "dodge" my Transit Camp Treblinka Challenge (which is the longest thread on the CODOH forum, yet still is without an answer to the original post), but any mention of a murdered Jew, without overwhelming forensic evidence to rely upon (and only forensic evidence!) is seen as "dodging." That the forum moderator (who posts under the handle "Hannover," a devious effort typically seen as sock-puppetry) also dodges posts can be seen in my thread on Thies Christophersen, wherein he ignores all my points on Christophersen, creates straw men, and bloviates about revisionism in general.

Of course, I have long been aware of the unfair moderating practices at the CODOH forum. On November 2, 2008, while I was still a revisionist, I complained to CODOH regarding their forum's moderating policies (whole email is attached as an appendix for open disclosure). In that email, I wrote:

"I am afraid if something is not done to keep the Revisionist forum up to the standards of "open" debate, many more posters will also pack their bags and take their game elsewhere. At such a dismal time in the revisionism movement, where leaders such as Rudolf, Zundel, and Toben are in European jails, one must keep the community as active and as large as possible. Shunting different revisionist ideas, and limiting the "open" nature of debate is detrimental to our movement, and threatens the very lifeblood in times such as these."

Since November 2008, the situation at the CODOH forum has only continued to deteriorate. Despite the forum's eight year lifespan, it still has not reached 500 total posters; the 470+ that it currently has overwhelmingly arrived some years ago, with only a trickle of new posters coming in now; indeed, only a small fraction of the total posters still appear on a regular basis. Numerous posters (mostly revisionists) have left the forum because of the heavy-handed moderating practices. No other forum involved with Holocaust discussions (including revisionist arguments) has such a tendency to delete unwanted posts.

There are some who have stuck around the CODOH forum and have enjoyed the isolation of their posts, free from criticism, but every month brings about an increasing number of posters who turn their back on the CODOH forum, or at least voice their opposition to the moderator's policies.

In other words, the CODOH Revisionist forum is dying.

Now, such a sad state of affairs for revisionism could have easily been avoided by the CODOH leadership had founder Bradley Smith or Editor-in-Chief Richard Widmann (both of whom I respect) taken a different approach to the CODOH Revisionist forum.

CODOH's Indifference

I have long believed in the fruitfulness of combined research efforts. In late 2008, given the poor state of revisionist research (Mattogno still is the lone researcher), and the failure to keep information moving at the same pace as Germar Rudolf once did, I thought something had to be done. As a revisionist, I tried to spawn new efforts to get things moving again (such was my conviction at the time).

My initial aim was to establish a revisionist blog (now the Inconvenient History blog), which could help accumulate various articles, information of interest, and spur more discussion and interest in Holocaust revisionism as a whole. After gathering a preliminary group of contributors for the blog, we contacted CODOH for logistical support in hosting a website for us.

My initial proposal to Bradley Smith came on November 7, 2008. After some discussion with him and CODOH editor Richard Widmann, CODOH formally agreed to host our blog. One of our main warnings to CODOH, however, was that our blog would be run independently, and would be allowed to post whatever revisionist views we wished, including critical reviews of revisionist research. Going off of our experience with the CODOH forum, and by the very nature of the relationship, we felt justified in our terms and our caution in working with CODOH.

Richard Widmann responded to our terms as follows (only relevant portions quoted - email dated November 9, 2008):

"CODOH is not dogmatic in its views and I think would provide you the latitude you are seeking.

The CODOH Forum is not CODOH. It is largely the work and effort of the moderator there whom I assume you know. He has tremendous freedom to do what he wants-and what he does is certainly different than what I would do. The key is however that he does it. It is not something I have the time nor the stomach for.

(...)

I am interested to know why you might think us "Close-minded" or dogmatic in this area. I know of no one less so in the entire debate on either side.

SO in short-yes you could do your own thing. The only intervening I recall through the years with regard to the Forum has been requesting to allow more posts to be posted and to stop a campaign which called for the banning of the work of David Irving."

Bradley Smith emailed a similar comment (dated November 11, 2008):

"Widman speaks for me here on all points.

I have always been especially interested in the revisionist criticism of published H. revisionism. have always thought it a weakness of CODOH in not having it.

To date we have not had a way of doing this with anything resembling graciousness or generoisity, and without those qualities it is destructive. The Forum is run on a very tight leash, but as Widmann notes, it is run, and has been run for years at considerable risk and personal cost for the primary moderator, and has built up a very large repository of information."

That the two see the CODOH forum as distinctly different from CODOH itself (and thus, not held responsible) is a very misguided view to take, and one that I am at a loss to explain.

The CODOH Revisionist forum acts as the everyday face of CODOH, where discussions with readers progress daily. It is highlighted on CODOH's mainpage, along with a feature that showcases the most recent posts on various threads. In addition, the CODOH name is featured prominently and in numerous locations on the Revisionist forum's website. To deny this connection is simply absurd. Thus, when posters are banned or censored for their views on the Revisionist forum (revisionist or orthodox), CODOH's credibility in defense of "free speech" suffers.

Widmann and Smith's indifference to the ongoing tragedy of "open debate" at their forum (or sponsored forum) also is counterproductive for the revisionist 'movement', for many sane posters have simply left the revisionist scene due to their disenchantment with CODOH's forum.

From an anti-revisionist's perspective, what more could one wish? The revisionist movement is purging itself.

As the cynics would no doubt say, CODOH has passed the point of open debate and only seeks to pursue its own agenda. Surely the group has a right to protest the criminalization of Holocaust revisionism, as well as the alleged sacredness of the Holocaust taboo on college campuses (see Bradley Smith’s dispute with Harvard), but do they really expect people to take them seriously when they allow blatant censorship in their own backyard? Do as I say, not as I do?

It is sometimes said that cognitive dissonance produces a positive effect in the mind, allowing it to better judge the issues at hand. When the dissonance is not cognized, however, the mind does not progress in its intelligence, and incongruent positions result. Thus, CODOH focuses its efforts on breaking taboos and pushing for more academic freedom regarding the Holocaust, all the while hosting a forum that censors and bans unsought posters’ opinions.

The blissful indifference that Widmann and Smith maintain with their forum (though both are aware of the endless complaints about the moderator) does not bode well for CODOH’s future, nor for Holocaust Revisionism. Without some level of intellectual curiosity, CODOH will become (even more) irrelevant to real historic revisionism; instead, it will become nothing more than a defender of the revisionists’ own dogma.

Like the revisionist posters who wish to escape criticism, CODOH seems to have abandoned its willingness to think.

-Jason Willis Myers

Appendix

from: Truth Seeker <wahrheitseeker@gmail.com>
to: mail_to@codoh.com
date: Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:05 PM
subject: CODOH revisionist forum
mailed-by: gmail.com
hide details 11/2/08

Dear CODOH,

I am an active revisionist poster over at the CODOH forum. I have continually took part in discussions exposing the Holocaust-lie, and have even put together 2-3 serious articles on points which debunk the exterminationist claim (which I must finalize before trying to get posted to the CODOH library).

It is with much regret that I have noticed a serious downturn in the quality of discussion at the CODOH revisionist forum. Many of the former established posters, who actively contribute meaningfull information to the forum (such as Laurentz Dahl) have been ran over by the likes of Greg Gerdes. I agree in principle with the claims of Gerdes, and the demands for proof of the Reinhard camps, but any slight deviation of Gerdes' position always leads to constant beratement and incessant attacks. Laurentz Dahl left the forum becaue of him, and Carlo Cutlass Supreme has also suffered from his tactics.

Also, Dr Joachim Neander (an open-minded believer) has also continually suffered beratement at the hands of a few: 'Hannover', 'Turpitz', etc...Posters of quality and intelligence such as Neander should try to be held onto as much as possible, but yet in any post he makes, he is attacked for being a "believer". This is not healthy for the supposed "open" debate of the forum.

Not to mention, I too have suffered a spell of censorship by the moderator. I did nothing wrong, and was very polite in my posts. I responded to points raised in a thread, but was told that my arguments have already been dealt with in other threads. When I visited those threads, and posted my points again, I still have been censored and told that I am posting to already-responded to points. The fact that my points have NOT been adequately debunked apparently fails to be understood. Rather it is a purposeful effort to shun my ideas which clash with the moderator's notions.

I am afraid if something is not done to keep the Revisionist forum up to the standards of "open" debate, many more posters will also pack their bags and take their game elsewhere. At such a dismal time in the revisionism movement, where leaders such as Rudolf, Zundel, and Toben are in European jails, one must keep the community as active and as large as possible. Shunting different revisionist ideas, and limiting the "open" nature of debate is detrimental to our movement, and threatens the very lifeblood in times such as these.

I am open to any ideas or other questions you may have.

Best Rgds,

W.

Yet another antisemitic Nazi-lover writing for "Inconvenient history" blog

Canadian citizen (German emigre) Wilfried Heink posts at CODOH's "Inconvenient History" blog (see "About us" page and his postings). Recently he wrote the following at RODOH forum (my emphasis):

This is exactly what the National Socialists wanted for Germany, to have a Germany for Germans and to preserve that Aryan bloodline. Here is part of the Nürnberg law:

5. Nur der Deutsche, der sich zur deutschen Kultur – und Schicksalsgemeinschaft bekennt, kann staatsbürgerliche Rechte ausüben

(only those Germans who acknowledges to be part of German culture and destiny can carry out civic duties)

Hitler had the right to decide who lives in Germany and who did not. Jews are never part of the Schicksalsgemeinschaft they live in, regardless of what country it is. Therefore, they are strangers and subject to removal. This is what the National Socialists wanted, the Jews out of Germany. And that is all the Mohawk’s want, I doubt however that they will be allowed to succeed. And we have to remember that the Indians, in spite of all the make believe, are not sovereign nations.

Israel practices this and would get rid of the remaining Palestinians in an instance, but this can not be compared to the situation in Germany, and indeed to that in Quebec. The Jews claiming to be original Hebrews from Judea, or wherever, are not, and have therefore no right to push the aboriginals out. Germany on the other hand has been populated by Germanic tribes for centuries, ditto for the Indians. And yes, if it can be proven that the land I purchased and live on is still land owned by the Indians, I would have to move, but that is another issue altogether.

First there was neo-Nazi Carolyn Yeager [1, 2, 3], now this.

Arme Auschwitz-Leugner.

Greg Gerdes' latest "wisdom" ...

... can be read in his CODOH thread A LITERAL 'MASS GRAVES' CONSPIRACY.

My comments about this thread are in the thread Greg Gerdes’ latest: «A LITERAL 'MASS GRAVES' CONSPIRACY» of the RODOH forum.

I thank Mr. Gerdes for having given me this opportunity to provide an overview of evidence regarding the mass graves at Chelmno and the Aktion Reinhard(t) camps Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka, which is surely of interest to our readers.