"Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge" - 5th Update

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2nd update, 24.07.2008, 23:55 hours GMT

3rd update, 26.07.2008, 15:08 hours GMT

4th update 29.07.2008, 15:00 hours GMT

Update, 30.07.2008, 23:59 GMT

As he continues mouthing off about me on a forum to which he knows I have no access, miserable coward Greg Gerdes provides a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black.

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In his post Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:39 pm on the Cesspit thread Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge, he writes the following:

Malle:

"Sorry to say Greg, you have found a new low-water level in the Holocaust history."

Well, no offense Malle, but, while "debating" Dull-enkamp, I see new lows every day. Take this one for example - I caught him red handed in yet another lie (virtually every one of his posts has at least one lie in it), and she tried to weasel out of it with this gem:

My question to RM (after this comment):

"unlike Prof. Kola (who seems to be pissed off at who commissioned his investigation")

Gerdes:

Prove it liar.

Who commissioned his "investigation?"

What is Kola allegedly "pissed off" about?

Let's see proof – or is this just another one of your baseless lies?

RM's response:

"Care to know what Prof. Kola is pissed off about, Mr. Gerdes? That’s information not in the public domain you will have to pay for. How much are you willing to pay?

Isn't that the most shameless thing you've ever seen? But then again, like I'm always saying to the pathological liar:

Thank you - have I ever told you that you're priceless?

Having the dullest of the dull, display to the world every day what a shameless, pathological liar he is priceless indeed.

As so often before, Gerdes’ invective has a markedly self-projecting quality, for everything he calls me he has amply shown himself to be.

Lows of "Revisionist" mendacity and cowardice are what I find every day on the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka (which is currently inaccessible from my server, for whatever reason). Examples of Gerdes’ cowardice I listed in today’s post # 903 (the following was copied from a PDF screenshot, so the links do not work):

Actually the pathetic coward here is Gerdes, who keeps running away from my pertinent question about the relevance of his demands. For the purpose of historically proving the mass murder at Sobibor (which is historically proven already anyway), they have no relevance whatsoever. And insofar as they are relevant within the context of the NAFCASH challenge (which Gerdes has been requested to demonstrate) they shall be answered in the form required on the NAFCASH site, that is, in an article published in SKEPTIC magazine. Unless, of course, Gerdes changes the NAFCASH challenge requirements and also allows for publication of evidence meeting the challenge requirements on this forum instead of in SKEPTIC magazine).

And that’s not the only demonstration of the pathetic cowardice that Gerdes self-projectingly accuses me of.

Readers who have followed this discussion will surely remember how little of the evidence I have shown (last recap see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 Gerdes even dared to address.

Readers who have followed this discussion will also remember how many questions (regarding evidence I have shown, regarding the relevance of his infantile "show me" – demands and regarding the rules and standards of evidence – if any – that these demands are based on, among other things) I have asked the fellow, and how few of these – if any at all – he has not run away from.

Readers will further remember Gerdes’ persistent refusal to define more precisely the requirements of the NAFCASH challenge and to state what exactly he would accept as proof meeting those requirements, even though I made it real easy for him by providing a draft of such specification and asking him to modify it as he considered necessary (see my posts # 506 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php p...&postcount=506 , # 528 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=528 , # 536 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php? p...&postcount=536 , # 540 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=540, # 545 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php? p...&postcount=545 , # 566 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=566 , among others) . The staple reply to my suggestion was the idiotic "what part of proof do you not understand?" – rhetoric. Asked if this meant submission to reasonable standards of proof such as applied in criminal investigation
and historical research, Gerdes ignored the question.

Readers will further remember my suggestion that Gerdes make the NAFCASH challenge more transparent by clearly describing the procedure for selecting eligible applicants, submittal of evidence by such applicants, assessment of evidence submitted by NAFCASH and their decision about entitlement to the reward. The NAFCASH site is rather vague in this respect. Yet all requests that a potential applicant be informed more precisely about the procedures were met with the hysterical derision and Simian howling that is the hallmark of Gerdes’ "argumentation".

Another thing that I’m sure our readers recall is Gerdes’ refusal to introduce an escrow account provision (as is usually done in challenges of this nature, I’ve been told) or at least make it clear to a potential applicant that he may well have to run after x different challenge supporters (the number is 21 including Gerdes, according to the same) at y different places for z part of the reward amount to which each supporter has committed – a fact that would probably make a potential applicant whose first and foremost interest is the money think twice. Gerdes’ response to this reasonable suggestion was a most imbecile "why don’t you get the money from those filthy stinking-rich Jews" – rant.
As if these examples of Gerdian cowardice were not enough, Gerdes also excluded Belzec and Chelmno extermination camps from the challenge, obviously in order to limit a potential applicant’s opportunities to meet the challenge requirements. Asked why he had done so, the best he could come up with was some notoriously lame babbling about "simplification" and "focus", IIRC. Bullshit.

But that’s not yet all, folks. Apparently for no reason other than my apparent preference for ARCHAEOLOGY magazine over SKEPTIC magazine as the publisher of my future article containing evidence that meets the NAFCASH challenge requirements, miserable coward Gerdes excluded ARCHAEOLOGY magazine from the already limited list of accepted publishers (if he had balls, as I said before, he would at least have accepted any pertinent scientific magazine for publication of evidence meeting the challenge requirements) and limited a potential applicant’s choice of publishers to SKEPTIC magazine alone (to be sure, it was stated on the NAFCASH site that an applicant rejected by SKEPTIC "MAY" be given the chance to publish in ARCHAEOLOGY magazine instead, but Gerdes wouldn’t be Gerdes if that "MAY" did not mean "WILL NOT").

And what is more, Gerdes started making a fuss about an unfavorable opinion I had uttered on Topix about Shermer’s qualities as a researcher, obviously in order to make sure that Shermer’s resentment over such statement would hinder his publishing an article of mine in SKEPTIC magazine.

Shall I also mention Gerdes’ persistent failure, after mouthing off about my fellow HC bloggers and my subsequent request that he address them directly, to do soby posting a comment below the HC article Update on Gerdes & NAFCASH under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...s-nafcash.html , despite my several reminders in this sense?

Or Gerdes having opened a thread on the CODOH Revisionist Forum, a place he knows I am banned from, to mouth off about me there together with the fellow coward (Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis) who was so scared of me that he banned me from that place?

To cut a long story short, the fellow who calls me a "pathetic coward", and that just because I don’t respond here to questions that

a) have obviously been asked just because Gerdes knows that I cannot yet provide answers;

b) are of no relevance except perhaps within the context of the NAFCASH challenge, in which case the place to respond to them is an article in SKEPTIC magazine and not this forum,

is himself one of the most pathetic and miserable cowards in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land, a buffoon who tries to mask his fear, and his inability to cope with that fear, between bigmouthed howling, foul invective and infantile "show me, show me, right here and now" – demands reminiscent of a spoilt brat’s yelling for a lollipop.

Readers of the above may reach their own conclusions about why Gerdes still has not given the CODOH clowns a link to the VNN thread where he claims to be performing so splendidly.

Just like his accusations of cowardice, Gerdes’ claims that I have been caught lying have a distinctly self-projecting character. Gerdes has not caught me lying even once and made a fool of himself several times when accusing me of lying. I, on the other hand, have long stopped counting the straw-man misrepresentations, quote-mines and other lies of his that I have exposed. A particularly fat and equally stupid lie of Gerdes' was pointed out in my VNN post # 839: after the fellow had accused me of having reported for deletion "his" post # 797 in our discussion on the Topix forum, I showed that the deleted Topix post # 797 was actually one of my posts. I had even asked Gerdes what had happened to that post in my later post # 801, which the showpiece of "Revisionist" genius obviously had forgotten to report to the Topix moderator for deletion and also forgot to read before telling this ridiculously stupid lie.

Now to the "most shameless thing" that Gerdes went whining to his CODOH buddies about.

First of all, the fellow mutilated my response, which in VNN post # 904 reads as follows:

Originally Posted by Gerdes
Retardo:
"unlike Prof. Kola (who seems to be pissed off at
who commissioned his investigation")
Prove it liar.

Stinking liar Gerdes calling me a liar is like – what parallel may I use so as not to hurt your feelings, CS?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerdes
Who commissioned his "investigation?"

Probably the same entity that commissioned his Belzec investigation. I’ll let you find out which entity that was, it’s mentioned somewhere on this thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerdes
What is Kola allegedly "pissed off" about?

Something I would probably also be pissed off about in his place.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerdes
Let's see proof – or is this just another one of
your baseless lies?

Lies are usually baseless and the hallmark of stinking liar Gerdes, who I wouldn’t trust to correctly tell me the time of the day. What I tell you, on the other hand, always has a source behind it.

Care to know what Prof. Kola is pissed off about, Mr. Gerdes? That’s information not in the public domain you will have to pay for. How much are you willing to pay?

Obviously Gerdes considered only the last paragraph of my response "safe" enough for the CODOH clowns to read and therefore left out the rest, especially the inconvenient reference to his own mendacity.

Second, there’s no lie whatsoever in what I wrote. The information about the nature of Prof. Kola’s problems with the Polish government is not in the public domain indeed; I obtained it in a private phone conversation with the director of the Sobibor Archaeological Project. And if I baited Gerdes by telling him that he would have to pay for this information, that was treating him with the contempt an asshole like he deserves (which obviously pissed him off a lot), but certainly not a statement against better knowledge.

Gerdes shouldn't project his own behavior onto his opponents. And he should get used to the idea that people are not lying or have anything to hide just because they don't dance as he whistles. He is being treated as corresponds to his obnoxious ways.

I have no problem with telling Gerdes just what Prof. Kola’s problems with the Polish government are, according to my conversation with Yoram Haimi. All he has to do is ask more politely.

6th update, 03.08.2008, 0:48 GMT

"Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge" - 4th Update

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Update 29.07.2008, 15:00 hours GMT

As "Revisionist" true believers continue to exchange BS on the thread Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge of the CODOH Cesspit, we are treated to the entertaining spectacle of a confrontation between one of the more intelligent "Revisionists", a fellow who calls himself Laurentz Dahl, and primitive chimp Greg Gerdes.

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In his post of Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:18 am, Laurentz Dahl wrote the following:

If I may voice a criticism of the "reduced NAFCASH challenge" it is that there are doubtless human remains in the soil at the Reinhardt camps. In the light of the transit camp seems more than likely that several thousand Jewish deportees died en route (given that more than 1.5 million Jews were channeled through) or in the camps (from disease, shot during revolts and escape attempts etc.), that they were buried at the site and likely also cremated. For example we know of the catastrophic Kolomea transport to Belzec during which around 2,000 Jews perished. Similar incidents, if perhaps not as grave, may have occured at numerous other times - the documentation is very scarce. The cremated remains of even 5,000 people, mingled with wood ashes, can take up quite a lot of space and would thus be easy to find.

Dahl is obviously arguing that the presence of an amount of human remains sufficient to meet the requirements of the NAFCASH challenge in the soil of either of the camps Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka might still be compatible with the "Revisionist" theory that more than 1.5 million Jews were "channeled through" these camps en route to the occupied territories of the Soviet Union, and that such amount of human remains would be easy to find.

Like many a "Revisionist" argument, this argument of Dahl’s suffers from grievous fallacies, the biggest of which is the utter lack of evidence suggesting that any Jews were "channeled through" Belzec, Sobibor or Treblinka en route to destinations in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union. While documentation about specific transports to either of these camps is scarce indeed, documentation that allows for establishing the number of deportees to either camp is not, and documentation about transports from Belzec, Sobibor or Treblinka to destinations further east is non-existing – even though so large a resettlement operation should have left behind a huge paper trail, both in transport documentation and in documentation from German authorities in the occupied Soviet territories, which the Nazis would have had no reason to destroy and should therefore be available in abundance. Besides abundant documentary records, the transportation of ca. 1.5 million Jews via these camps to Minsk, Riga or other destinations in the occupied Soviet territories should have left historical research with thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses, from among the German authorities in charge of transportation and resettlement, the local population of the destination areas in Nazi-occupied Soviet territory and, especially, from among the deportees themselves. Yet there is not one such document, and not one such witness. None of the German participants in Aktion Reinhard(t) later on trial before West German courts even claimed that such documents or witnesses existed or that Jews deported to Belzec, Sobibor or Treblinka had been moved anywhere further east from these places. On the contrary, all former SS-men accused of having participated in the mass killing at these camps concurred with the eyewitnesses from the ranks of the former inmates in that these camps had been extermination camps, even providing detailed descriptions of the mass killing and body disposal process at these camps. What documents regarding a specific camp or transportations thereto have been found (like the documents mentioned in Prof. Browning’s expert opinion Evidence for the Implementation of the Final Solution and in Stephen Potyondi’s THHP article Final Destination Treblinka) shows that Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were final destinations for the people taken there, not transit stations en route to somewhere further east, and corroborate the descriptions of these camps as places dedicated to mass murder that have been provided by many eyewitnesses – be it from among surviving camp inmates, members of the SS-staff, German visitors or outside observers, Ukrainian guards or local Polish civilians – on different occasions and independently of each other. This means that the "transit camp" theory entertained by Dahl and other "Revisionist" true believers is a mere fantasy, at odds with all known evidence and based on hollow speculations and conspiracy theories alone.

Another fallacy in Dahl’s reasoning is the assumption that the remains of a couple of thousand deportees who died "from disease" or were "shot during revolts and escape attempts etc." would have been cremated. In what labor camp, or in what actual transit camp in the occupied Polish or Soviet territories (there were such transit camps, e.g. the Durchgangslager for Soviet prisoners of war), are the Nazis known to have gone through the trouble of cremating the bodies of those who died or were killed there, instead of simply dumping them into mass graves? The at least several thousand victims of the Treblinka I labor camp, for instance, were not handled by cremation but buried in mass graves (which moreover were not very deep, whereas Polish investigations on the area of the Treblinka II extermination camp, discussed in my article Polish investigations of the Treblinka killing site were a complete failure …, suggest that the burial pits in that camp were at least 7.5 meters deep). Are we asked to believe that a similar number of victims in an adjacent "transit camp" would have been cremated and not simply buried as well?

The third fallacy in Dahl’s reasoning is his assumoption that "The cremated remains of even 5,000 people, mingled with wood ashes, can take up quite a lot of space and would thus be easy to find.". Applied to 5,000 dead bodies, the calculations in section 4.5 of my article Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research tell us that these 5,000 dead bodies, weighing a total of ca. 175,000 kg, would leave behind 8,750 kg = 8.75 tons or 17.5 cubic meters of ash. The maximum amount of wood ash, assuming 2 kg of wood per kg of body mass, would be 28 tons or 82.35 cubic meters. The total space occupied by human cremains and wood ash would thus be 17.5 + 82.35 = 99.85 cubic meters. The total volume of the mass graves found by Prof. Kola at Belzec during archaeological investigations in 1997-1999 was estimated at 21,310 cubic meters, which means that the 99.85 cubic meters of human and wood ashes corresponding to Dahl’s 5,000 dead bodies would occupy a mere 0.47 % of the volume of the Belzec mass graves estimated by Prof. Kola. The idiocy of assuming that the Nazis would excavate 21,310 cubic meters of grave space for a mere 99.85 cubic meters of human and wood ashes aside, finding 99.85 cubic meters of human and wood ashes in 21,310 cubic meters of grave space must be just slightly less difficult than finding a needle in a haystack. And that’s assuming one has already identified the soil disturbances signaling mass graves in the area subject to archaeological examination.

Despite the above breakdowns in logic and reason, however, Dahl still stands out among his fellow "Revisionists" as the one-eyed among the blind. Especially if you compare his considerations with the replies of Greg Gerdes, whose repertoire is – as usual – reduced to his infantile "show me, show me" – yelling. The chimp’s posts of Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:30 pm, Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:40 pm and Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:11 pm can be boiled down to the following stance:

1. "Show me all I’m yelling for, with photographs, right here and now!"

2. "If you can’t show me all I’m yelling for, with photographs, right here and now, this means that what I’m yelling for doesn’t exist and the whole thing is a hoax."

One can probably expect a less primitive line of argumentation from a five-year old.

Also illustrative of Gerdes' imbecility is the babbling in his post of Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:52 pm:

If anyone wants to see the photos of the "huge mass graves" of Sobibor, check out The Sobibor Archaeology Project here:
http://undersobibor.org/

And the "Friends of Sobibor Remembrance" association here:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/indexa.htm

Mmmmmm, that's odd, there doesn't seem to be any photos of said "huge mass graves!" Must just be a slight oversight that will be corrected any day now I'm sure.

Here's another question -

If you were Andrzej Kola or Yoram Haimi, and the "huge mass graves" allegedly found at Sobibor are not a hoax, just how long would it take you to send off to "SKEPTIC" magazine all the proof in the world needed to become an applicant for THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE reward?

And notice Haimi's begging for money! LOL!!! If he needed money so bad, and the "huge mass graves" actually exist, then what is he waiting for?

The chimp obviously thinks that the people of the Sobibor Archaeology Project and the "Friends of Sobibor Remembrance" association share his obsession with mass graves and the contents of mass graves, and that they would necessarily parade photographs of both on their websites, notwithstanding the religiously motivated complaints about desecration of the dead that such photographs would expose them to.

And he also seems to think that archaeologists have nothing better to do than publish evidence in order to meet the requirements of the "challenge" launched by the so-called "National Association of Forensic Criminologists, Archeologists, Skeptics and Historians" (NAFCASH). For that, they would not only have to overcome considerations of human dignity that make a "show me human remains and you’ll get money" – challenge a singularly disgusting undertaking, but also need to be gullible enough not to see through the transparent hoax that this challenge is: not only is a potential applicant limited to one single source of publication (meaning that the chance of becoming an applicant to the reward, independently of what evidence one has got to show, depends on whether or not SKEPTIC magazine is interested in publishing such evidence), he will also – as I have pointed out in my discussion with Gerdes on the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka – probably have to obtain a decision from a court of law certifying that the evidence he submitted to NAFCASH, after publishing it in SKEPTIC magazine has made him "eligible", objectively meets the requirements of the NAFCASH challenge and he is thus entitled to the reward (or does anyone expect a mendacious slime-ball-player like Gerdes to acknowledge that his challenge requirements have been met, no matter what evidence he is shown?). And once the applicant has obtained such award from a court of law, he will have to run after each supporter of the NAFCASH challenge (there are 21 of them including Gerdes, according to the same) for the share of the reward amount to which each supporter has committed (unless one is so trusting as to believe that these characterless bigots will pay voluntarily).

Gerdes’ mouthing-off against the above-mentioned entities may turn out to be a shot in the foot, however. I can imagine members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project or the "Friends of Sobibor Remembrance" association getting angry enough, upon reading Gerdes' crap, to decide that it's time to teach the bigmouth a lesson and publish evidence meeting the NAFCASH challenge requirements just in order to humiliate the fellow, independently of whether or not they can realistically expect payment of the reward amount. All the more so as Gerdes’ stance is echoed by another "Revisionist" clown, an obnoxious and cowardly Swede who calls himself "Malle" (see the RODOH thread Invitation to Mr. "Malle" ...) , in his post Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:36 on the same thread.

(Mr. "Malle" seems to be very proud, by the way, of a laughable attempt by Tom Moran, arguably one of the dumbest creatures in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land even with Gerdes as competition, to tackle Prof. Kola’s inconvenient findings at Belzec in 1997-1999. A far more intelligent and sophisticated attempt in the same sense by "Revisionist" guru Carlo Mattogno was shredded in my blog article Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research. Moran’s crap had been taken care of before that by Sergey Romanov, IIRC – I’ll see if I can find the respective thread or article).

Arguably even more amusing than the Simian howls of Mr. Gerdes is "Hannover" Hargis' response to Laurentz Dahl’s above-quoted post. Hargis seems to be uncomfortable with any evidence showing that his Nazi heroes harmed Jews in any way, which is probably the reason why, apart from lamely babbling about there being too few human remains at Belzec (as nobody has ever quantified the remains contained in the Belzec mass graves, how does he know how many there are, and why does he think the SS excavated 21,310 cubic meters of mass grave space at that camp?) he calls in question the veracity of a German officer’s contemporary report about a murderous transport from Kolomea to Belzec, with equally lame contentions:

Do we know about the veracity of the Kolomea 2,000 other than an alleged report from Josef Jacklein? There is a highly dubious statement by a 'Westermann' which is completely unsubstantiated and appears to have been coerced or manufactured to fit the general storyline. IOW, are there original German documents to view?

As I have just been informed by Jonathan Harrison, who checked Hilberg’s The Destruction of the European Jews (p.518, n.63), there are FOUR documents describing the transport from Kolomea to Belzec. Westermann wrote two reports (Browning and Mattogno seem to be in error by only citing one) and there was a report by Brenner, commander of 6th company, which was assigned to Westermann's 7th company for the round-up in Kolomea. Hargis has thus once more shown what an ignorant buffoon he is.

Hargis apparently has not even read the Belzec book written by "Revisionist" guru Carlo Mattogno, who not only is too smart to refrain from baseless speculations about coercion or document manipulation, but also tries to use Jäcklein’s report and one of Westermann’s reports (the name is incorrectly spelled as "Wassermann" in Mattogno’s book) to the advantage of "Revisionist" articles of faith, by arguing that this transport was an isolated case and the horrors of the journey from Kolomea were the result of bad organization, while invoking the fact that Jews too old or sick to be transported were shot on the spot as an indication against the transport's destination being an extermination camp. I have taken care of these contentions in part 5 of my article Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research.

The Dahl-Gerdes-Hargis show is also being followed with some amusement on page 13 of the thread "A message to Jonnie Hannover Hargis …" of the RODOH forum. An appropriate comment there from David Woolfe:

Wow, all Dahl said was that perhaps as many as 5000 Jews may have died at Belzec (but not from gassing), and Gerdes starts with the "come on Laurentz, show me just one mass grave. JUST ONE" on him.

This guy really needs to seek professional help...

I couldn’t have said it better myself. :-)


5th update, 30.07.2008, 23:59 GMT

"Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge" - 3rd Update

Original article and 1st update

2nd update, 24.07.2008, 23:55 hours GMT

Update on 26.07.2008, 15:08 hours GMT

Did Gerdes invite "Hannover" Hargis to come over to VNN and discuss with me there directly?

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Of course not. Gerdes is too chicken-shit to extend my invitation, and "Hannover" Hargis would be much too chicken-shit to accept it.

Instead we continue being treated to the amusing and instructive spectacle of two miserable "Revisionist" cowards talking about an opponent on a forum to which, as both of them know, that opponent has no access.

And what is more, stinking coward Gerdes hasn’t even yet had the courage to give the CODOH clowns a link to the VNN discussion. Obviously there are things on that thread that Gerdes doesn’t want to show to his brothers-in-spirit.

That’s "Revisionism" in all it’s splendor, folks.

Now let’s look at the latest showpieces of "Revisionist" imbecility on the Cesspit’s thread Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge.

Gerdes, Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:25:

Let's look at the lies of the fraud Kola:

WARSAW (Reuters) - Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said they have found mass graves at the site. The excavations could provide valuable new evidence on the number of victims. “We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay” archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 by 25 meters, the others 20 by 25 meters."

When you look at the following video of the "huge mass graves," please notice how narrow they are. 20 - 25 meters wide? Nonsense, they look to me like they are 4 meters wide. And there is NOTHING "uncovered" or "excavated." And notice the lie in the video title - the "pits." LOL!!! All we have is two depressions in the soil. NO EVIDENCE WHAT-SO-EVER of human remains. All we have is a cognitive illusion. Look at this crap and see for yourself what a joke this fraudulent claim by Kola is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvPO31XgL8w&feature=related"]YouTube - Sobibór - the pits

BTW, did you notice how young the trees were in those depressions?

Did Shermer inspect these "pits" during his "firsthand investigation" of the camp.

First of all, Gerdes is obviously assuming that the depressions shown in Alan Heath’s Sobibor video are the mass graves found by Prof. Kola in 2001. Actually the filmmaker makes no statement in this sense, and he’s not even sure that the depressions he shows are mass graves. On the contrary, he expressly acknowledges that there could be a "forestry reason" for these depressions.

Second, would the width of the depressions, assuming they are related to the mass graves found by Prof. Kola in 2001, necessarily contradict Prof. Kola’s findings? I don’t think so. The soil need not have sunk throughout the width of any given mass grave but may have remained higher in some parts than in others.

Third, the absence of anything "uncovered" or "excavated" in the depressions, assuming they are related to the mass graves found by Kola in 2001, does not mean anything at all, considering that Heath’s video was put on YouTube on 26 March 2007 and probably made not long before that. What excavations Prof. Kola conducted were probably covered up when he concluded his work in 2001, so expecting to see signs of these excavations today is just stupid.

Fourth, Gerdes' howling about no evidence of human remains being shown in Heath's video is even more stupid. If these depressions are related to the mass graves discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001 – and that need not be so, see above – the human remains would of course be underground and thus not visible on the video. Duh!

Fifth, what is the age of the trees in the depressions supposed to mean? I’d say it means nothing either way. It speaks neither in favor nor against the assumption that these depressions are related to the mass graves found by Prof. Kola in 2001.

To sum it up, Gerdes has just shown once more what a bleeding idiot he is.

Gerdes’ babbling at the end of this post about Michael Shermer – who I never referred to as a source – is meaningless except insofar as it again reveals Gerdes' pathological obsession with this gentleman, which has amused me throughout my discussions with Gerdes on Topix and on VNN.

Gerdes, Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:28 pm:

I kid you not folks, only a certifiable nut case or a paid professional liar could come up with this - This is Muehlenkamp's latest:

"Try explaining why charred human remains and remains in a state of decay should be visible on any given core-drilling sample from mass graves that can be expected to largely or mostly contain cremains Mr. Gerdes."

Mmmmm. She quotes Kola to say that his word alone is proof that the Sobibor holocaust has been proven by archeological means:

WARSAW (Reuters) - Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said they have found mass graves at the site. The excavations could provide valuable new evidence on the number of victims. “We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay” archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference.

Then asks how anyone could believe that what Kola says he found could be found!

This of course begs the question - If Muehlenkamp isn't a paid professional liar, then - Is he mentally ill or retarded?

Either way, she's priceless isn't she?

Like Hannover says - It's so easy.

What is actually easy is to once more demonstrate, on hand of his above babblings, what a sorry idiot Mr. Gerdes is.

The poor fellow seems to believe there is a contradiction between Prof. Kola’s description of the mass graves’ contents in a press conference and the presence of what seems to be mixed ashes of human bone and tissue on these two photos of drill samples:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F5.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F6.html


and what seems to be either bone ash or lime on this photo of a core drill sample:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/F7.html


Why should there be such a contradiction?

First of all, I don’t know – as I expressly pointed out on VNN – if these core drill samples are related to Prof. Kola’s 2001 investigation or to later archaeological work.

Second, how does Gerdes know what core samples of "charred human remains" would look like and that they would look different from the light-gray substance visible on the core samples in the first two photographs shown above?

Third and most important, assuming that core samples of "charred human remains" would have a different aspect, how would the presence of "charred human remains" in the Sobibor mass graves rule out the presence of ashes? Even if some of the bodies were not reduced to mere ashes and bone fragments, the incineration of the bodies on grids at Sobibor must have produced lots of such smaller remains, and it stands to reason that these were not left lying around and neither necessarily taken somewhere to be scattered, but returned to the mass graves together with the incompletely burned remains that are suggested by the term "charred human remains" – assuming this is a correct translation of what Prof. Kola told the Polish news agency in Polish language.

So there’s no banana again for Mr. Gerdes, sorry. The chimp just showed once more that he forgot to think before writing.

Now let’s have a look at one of the subterfuges that charlatans like Gerdes resort to when they have no arguments: hollow derision meant to create the impression that what is being derided is oh-so-ridiculous:

Gerdes, Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:46 pm

I'm serious here folks, a person just couldn't make this stuff up (unless of course you were a member of holocaust controversies).

These are photos that Muehlenkamp is trying to claim are, and again, these are his EXACT WORDS: "what is visible in these samples is quite interesting. The color of the soil, judging by the soil surface visible on these photographs, is a light brown. Yet these samples show layers underground that are light gray and black (f5, f6 &f7):"

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/galerie/badania/index.html

"How about ashes of human bone and tissue for the light gray stuff, wood ashes for the black stuff and pure bone ashes or lime for the white stuff, Mr. Gerdes? ...there’s no reason indeed to doubt the accuracy of the corroborating descriptions and photographic depictions of physical evidence that we have seen so far from Sobibor. Any other idea what those light grey, black and white substances in the light-brown soil of Sobibor might be, Mr. Gerdes? Let’s hear."

Priceless.

What is actually priceless is Gerdes' tacit admission that he cannot explain what, other than ashes of human bone and tissue and bone ashes or lime, those light grey, black and white substances in the light-brown soil of Sobibor could possibly be. I asked him several times on VNN, last time in my post # 826:

The light gray substance on the first two photos looks like ashes of human bone and tissue to me. I’ve seen such ashes elsewhere, hence the association.

The black substance on the second photo looks like wood ash to me. There’s a gray streak in the middle of the black suggesting that some human ashes may be there as well.

The white substances on the third photo could be either bone ash or the lime that was poured upon the dead bodies in the mass graves.

Now let’s see what alternative possibilities you come up with, Gerdes. Instead of seeking refuge in infantile derision and silly laughter, tell us what other than human ashes, wood ashes or lime the substances on these photos of Sobibor core drill samples, clearly distinguishable from the light-brown soil, could possibly be.

Needless to see, there’s nothing resembling an answer to this question amidst the chimp’s hysterical howling in his recent VNN posts (nos. 835, 836 and 837, which I’ll have the pleasure of shredding later on). How could there be? The sorry charlatan can offer no alternative explanation for what those light grey, black and white substances in the light-brown soil of Sobibor might be. And to cover up this obvious fact, he resorts to his above-quoted derision, obviously in the hope that fellow retards will gain the impression that he is considers it below his dignity to respond to my pertinent questions because they are oh-so-fucking-stupid.

That’s "Revisionism", folks – charlatanry masked by the arrogant feigning of superior knowledge.

Now to my old friend Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis and his post of Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:39 am, see if he fares better than poor little Gerdes.

"Hannover"

How pathetically desperate Muehlenkamp and his gang are. This is so easily debunked that it's embarrassing.

So Hargis will now explain what Gerdes couldn’t explain, i.e. what, other than human ashes, wood ashes or lime, the substances on the shown photos of Sobibor core drill samples, clearly distinguishable from the light-brown soil, could possibly be?

I can’t quite believe it, but let’s read what he’s got ...

"Hannover"

Where's the excavation to examine?

Prof. Kola’s 2001 excavation (which the photographed core samples need not be related to) was probably covered up when his work was completed in 2001. Current excavations by the Sobibor Archaeological Project, insofar as not covered up for the winter at the end of 2007 and not yet reopened this year, can probably be viewed at the present time. Now, why must there be an "excavation to examine" for an archeologist’s description of his investigation results to be considered reliable? And what has this got to do with the question what, other than human ashes, wood ashes or lime, the substances on the shown photos of Sobibor core drill samples, clearly distinguishable from the light-brown soil, could possibly be?

"Hannover"

Where's the visible layers to review?

Why must there be "visible layers to review" for an archeologist’s description of his investigation results to be considered reliable? And what has this got to do with the question what, other than human ashes, wood ashes or lime, the substances on the shown photos of Sobibor core drill samples, clearly distinguishable from the light-brown soil, could possibly be?

I’m looking forward to what "Hannover" will come up with as answer to these questions, Mr. Gerdes. You will invite him to come to VNN, won’t you?

"Hannover"

We see laughable posed pictures of some guys supposedly taking core samples. Note the woman poring over a laptop for effect, nice touch. ?

Indulging in baseless insinuations of manipulation, "Hannover" continues to studiously avoid any statement about what, other than the human remains or lime that their appearance suggests, the light-gray or white substances on the photographed core samples might be.

"Hannover"

Where's the verifiable lab analysis of human remains?

While such a lab analysis was conducted regarding core samples from the Belzec mass graves (it is mentioned in Prof. Kola’s report about the 1997-1999 investigations at Belzec), I don’t know if it was made regarding the core samples shown on the photographs under assessment. Further information about this can probably be obtained from the Friends of Sobibor Remembrance association, on whose website these photographs are featured. And again, how is this supposed to answer the question what, other than the human ashes, wood ashes or lime that their appearance suggests, the substances on the photographed core samples might be?

"Hannover"

Where the proof the any verified human remains are in the numbers that are absurdly alleged?

In the documentary and eyewitness evidence proving the murder of at least about 150,000 human beings at Sobibor, Mr. Hargis. And in the size of the Sobibor mass graves, established by Prof. Kola, which is in line with and corroborates that evidence. Nobody has yet exhumed let alone counted the human remains contained in the mass graves of Sobibor, for sure. But I don’t think you can show us any rules or standards of evidence according to which this must be done, explain any logic whereby this would be necessary in order to establish the extent of mass murder at Sobibor, or many mass murders you accept as factual where the number of victims was established by counting the physical remains.

Ah, and the only absurdity here is your baseless allegation that the documentary, eyewitness and physical evidence pointing to mass murder at Sobibor was all manipulated by some sinister conspiracy.

"Hannover"

Where's the proof that any verfied human remains are a result of murder? Typhus and other disease were rampant during the war, especially eastern Europe.

That may be so, but it happens that human remains found at Sobibor were found at a place that all known evidence shows to have been an extermination camp where at least about 150,000 people were killed by gassing or shooting, so the probability that all these people died of "typhus and other disease" at this specific place is infinitesimal, to say the least. Think before writing.

"Hannover"

There's no reason to believe that they have done anything more than poke a hole in a trash incineration site.

Actually what all evidence and elementary human logic tell us is that there’s no reason to even remotely suspect that the core drills in question are from holes poked in a trash incineration site and not from holes drilled on the area of former Sobibor extermination camp. Hollow conspiracy theories as entertained by true believers like Hargis are certainly no such reason outside "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land.

"Hannover"

Remember, in dealing with Belzec, shyster Kola presented hand drawn sketches of his alleged core samples, no verifiable photographs. Why?

Several reasons are possible, one being that the composition of core samples can be better explained on hand of hand-drawn sketches than on hand of photographs, the other that photographs of human remains taken out of a mass grave might offend the religious notions of certain people about respect for the dead. Simple explanations are usually far more probable than sinister conspiracy theories.

"Hannover"

Kola's alleged samples lack the most basic verification principles.

Which are, Mr. Hargis? I strongly doubt that you can show us any rules or standards about what "verification principles" an archaeological report must comply with. I strongly doubt that you even know what you are talking about.

"Hannover"

That is the hallmark of fraud.

By what standards and what reasoning other than those of a paranoid conspiracy theorist like yourself, Mr. Hargis?

"Hannover"

Anyone can sketch unverifiable 'core samples' to suit an agenda; just as they, among other tricks, have tried repeatedly to alter photos.

Who is "they" here? There was a case of probable photo manipulation by the Simon Wiesenthal Center (which I think is all "Hannover" can show in support of his "repeatedly tried to alter photos" claim), but how would this support the suspicion that a renowned archaeologist unrelated to that entity manipulated his investigation results, even though there’s no indication whatsoever of manipulation and those results are matched by all other known evidence (which the archaeologist, needless to say, could have no influence on)? Not at all, I would say – unless, of course, one baselessly postulates a monstrous conspiracy of evidence manipulation that corrupted every historian, criminal investigator and archaeologist over the last sixty years to help it pursue its sinister purposes. "Hannover" is one of the loonies who piously believe in such conspiracy, as he tells us in his next remark:

"Hannover"

All the judeo-supremacist claimed 'research' of the so called death camps reveal the same easily debunked fraudulent tactics.

What "fraudulent tactics", one is entitled to ask? The only indication of fraudulence that "Hannover" has shown is his baseless postulate that an archaeological report must comply with his baseless notions of verifiability lest it be fraudulent. Strictly for the birds.

The information published in Kola’s report about the archaeological investigations at Belzec is only a part of the information collected in the course of these investigations, by the way. On pages 10 and 11 of Kola’s book BEŁŻEC THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES (which Hargis claims to have read), the following is stated (emphasis added):

Directed by that need The Council of Protection of Memory of Combat and Martyrdom turned in 1997 to the Archaeological and Ethnological Institute of Nicholas Copernicus University in Toruń with a request of conducting probing archaeological works at the territory of the camp in Bełżec. The excavation started in autumn 1997 and was carried on in spring and autumn 1998 and in autumn 1999. The result of the excavation works was a detailed archaeological documentation together with the basic report delivered to The Council of Protection of Memory of Struggle and Martyrdom as to the principal, together with the preliminary reports. The other, non archaeological documentation collected simultaneously were chemical analysis and microscope studies of samples taken during the probing works. They were made to verify the conclusions emerging from archaeological analysis.

How about trying to take a look at what’s in the archives of the "Council of Protection of Memory of Combat and Martyrdom" (Rada Ochrony Pamięci Walk i Męczeństwa - ROPWiM) in Warsaw, Poland, Mr. Hargis?

"Hannover"

see Kola and his 'samples' demolished here:
'News: Belzec book demolishes 'death camp' nonsense'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1152

What I see "here" is the mendacious nonsense of "Revisionist" guru Carlo Mattogno that I shredded and showed for what it is in my blog article Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research. Thanks for the opportunity to again call my readers’ attention to this article, Mr. Hargis.

"Hannover"

This is what the lying filth of the 'holocaust' Industry tries to pass off as 'proof'.

Let’s make it:

This (i.e. mendacious crap like that of Mr. Mattogno) is what the lying filth from "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land tries to pass off as 'proof' supporting its Jew-hating and Hitler-kissing articles of faith.

That, my dear Hargis, is an accurate statement – and one that, unlike your gibberish, requires no self-projection.

To conclude this update, I note that Hargis' "trash incineration site" - nonsense was the closest he got to providing an alternative explanation as to what, other than the human remains, wood ashes or lime that their appearance suggests, the light-gray, black or white substances on the photographed Sobibor core samples might be.

But that's still more than the other cowardly charlatan, Greg Gerdes, was capable of. :-)


4th update 29.07.2008, 15:00 hours GMT

"Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge" - 2nd Update

Original article and 1st update

Update on 24.07.2008, 23:55 hours GMT

Some more fun with the cowardly loons on the thread Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge of the CODOH Cesspit:

Read more!


Mr. Nobody (an appropriate handle), Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:11 pm:

Oh well I guess you can kiss your money goodbye, this will be too easy!

All Muehlenkamp has to do is obtain Shermer's alleged "Treblinka Investigation" MWUUUUUUUAHAHAHAHAH !

Stinking coward and liar Gerdes, who is aware of this article because it has been pointed out to him at least twice, is hereby requested to invite his fellow clown over to VNN so he can provide what Gerdes has not been able to provide throughout our discussions: the number of the page of Denying History on which Shermer (a source that I never referred to but Gerdes is for some reason obsessed with) claimed to have conducted a "Treblinka Investigation".

Stinking coward and liar Gerdes, Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:04 pm:

And speaking of proof, and I kid you not, this is an exact quote that just came in from Muehlenkamp on the VNN forum:

"It’s for who makes a claim to provide the proof supporting that claim, a**hole."

Exactly, and I showed Gerdes how proof is provided, in my VNN post # 777.

How about linking the CODOH clowns to this post, Gerdes?

(Note that Gerdes keeps bragging about our VNN discussion but has not yet provided a link to the VNN thread. He’s seems to be afraid – not unreasonably so – that the CODOH clowns might realize what a sorry figure he is cutting there against me).

Stinking coward and liar Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis (he and Gerdes are really birds of a feather), Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:04 pm :

Well, the links I provided above show without a doubt that Muehlenkamp cannot defend the impossible tales of the 'holocaust' religion. He/they make the claims, and when these claims are inspected their only recourse is to attempt dirty tricks. Such are the judeo-supremacists.

Yeah, Jonnie, just keep repeating your prayers. Meanwhile, readers of my VNN post # 739 are learning how the crap you and your fellow true believers produced on "the links I provided above" was taken apart piece by piece, and how it is that you keep opponents from "defending" what you self-projectingly call "the impossible tales of the 'holocaust' religion" (the only religion built on impossible tales in this context is the "Revisionist" fantasy about the "Hoax"): by deleting or retaining their posts and eventually banning them.

As to your victory dances, let me repeat again what one of your less cowardly and mendacious brothers-in-spirit, quoted in the same VNN post, had to say about them:

I agree, Herr Muehlankamp, those guys over there are not entirely honest. Banning you and others and then performing victory dances is beyond even chutzpah. Hopefully this new poster, if he is new, will soon realize that dissenting views, if you will, are verboten.

As far as pointing him to RODOH, the name can not be mentioned, it is deleted. One of my posts was totally distorted, I dared mention RODOH, should have copied it, which almost made me quit that forum. Anyway, who knows, perhaps this lost sheep will find its way.

Next in line is Hargis bird-of-a-feather Gerdes, who in his post of Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:38 am regurgitates the following:

Yes, and don't forget that Shermer also claims to have visited Sobibor. Remember what he said in Denying History:
Quote:

“The culmination of years of research… our purpose… to present the historical facts that refute Holocaust denial… To debunk the deniers can’t we just go there and see them for ourselves? The answer, of course, is “yes.”… We can no longer ignore the deniers, calling them names and hoping they will go away… We cannot remain silent anymore. It’s time to respond… Not only is it defensible to respond to the deniers, it is, we believe, our duty… Many of our arguments draw on specialized research into the claims of the deniers that took us… to the Nazi extermination camps themselves… we went to Europe to conduct research at the camps, in particular at… Treblinka, Sobibor… We wanted to see for ourselves just what evidence there is at the camps and to take the opportunity to examine firsthand the claims… Much of the research is the type of work professional historians normally do… analyzing ground and aerial photographs… in order to make proper interpretations, we must review the physical evidence… Like criminologists solving a crime, we piece together the myriad bits of evidence until a conclusion emerges from the morass of data… How is it that so much physical evidence can come to be doubted?”

Note that the above is a montage of statements from various different parts of Shermer’s book Denying History, which are pasted together as if they were related to each other in order to put words into the author’s mouth. Readers who have been following my VNN discussion with Gerdes may remember how often Gerdes made a fuss about investigations of the physical evidence Shermer supposedly claimed to have conducted at the sites of the former Aktion Reinhard(t) camps, and how often I asked him to point out the exact page or pages of Denying History on which Shermer supposedly claimed to have conducted such investigations. Gerdes’ response was always deafening silence – followed some time thereafter by a repetition of the mendacious montage quoted above.

Gerdes continues:

And now that THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE has been narrowed down to just Treblinka and Sobibor, and the applicant to the challenge reward must now use "SKPETIC" magazine only, Shermer should be able to assist Muehlenkamp on this matter immensely.

Yes, the Shermer / "SKEPTIC" magazine and Muehlenkamp / HC collaboration is a match made in heaven.

Actually – and as Gerdes well knows – neither I nor any of my fellow bloggers on HC have anything to do with Shermer, and throughout my discussions with Gerdes I never invoked Shermer as a source. Trying to saddle opponents with claims they never made and sources they never referred to is one of stinking liar Gerdes’ tricks.

Gerdes’ bird-of-a-feather Hargis, in his post of Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:48, dutifully echoes his fellow cowardly liar as follows:

Oh yeah, shysters Shermer and Muehlenkamp do Treblinka. Hilarious.

You gotta see these:

'Daily Gassings in Treblinka'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=118

'Andy Mathis / 'holocaust Hist. Project' Treblinka section'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=280'

'Treblinka 'mass grave' claim'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4425

Search Treblinka at this site for more.

This is too easy.

- Hannover

I don’t see what the above threads have got to do with me – poor little Jonnie seems to be running out of threads in which he mouthed off about me after banning me. And what I really like in the above, coming as it does from a coward who never once left his Cesspit to debate on a forum where he could not control debate by cowardly censorship, is Hargis' "This is too easy" – bragging.

Hey Gerdes, what are you waiting for to invite Mr. "This is too easy" over to VNN, as I have several times asked you to do?

(Of course Hargis will never accept the invitation, he’s too much a coward for that. Any post of Gerdes’ containing such invitation is likely to immediately disappear into the memory hole. And the same will probably happen to any post of Gerdes containing a link to the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka. Hargis doesn’t want his fellow true believers to look through the telescope.)

Next we have Gerdes, in his post Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:06 pm, proudly quoting his "latest (and last) major change to THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE". Note his amusing explanation for having excluded Belzec and Chelmno from the challenge:

I really hated to drop Belzec and Chelmno, but I felt the time was right to focus and force the issue about Sobibor. Of course, this means that someone else can pick up the Belzec and Chelmno balls that I dropped and do something with them. Especially Chelmno, which is not only a gift, but if the fraudulent "archeological investigation" there isn't used to our advantage, then the next generation of truthers are going to hold us in contempt. In fact, I believe the BS "archeological investigations" of Chelmno are the easiest of all to prove as fraudulent and can most easily be used to our advantage.

Of course it makes no sense whatsoever from Gerdes’ point of view to reduce the effect of his publicity stunt by excluding Belzec and Chelmno from the challenge, especially if the latter is "easiest of all to prove as fraudulent and can most easily be used to our advantage". Thus it seems reasonable to assume that Gerdes’ motivation was the exact opposite of what he claims, as I pointed out in my VNN post # 810:

So Belzec and Chelmno are not included in the challenge anymore, Mr. Gerdes?

Why is that? Did you get cold feet? Did someone tell you that Prof. Kola’s Belzec report alone, or Mrs. Golden’s article in ARCHAEOLOGY magazine, may be considered by a court of law as sufficient proof to meet the challenge requirements?

Does Gerdes really expect his readers to be so dumb as to fall for explanations that go against the grain of everything we have so far seen from this barking-mad loony?

Well, in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land he is sure to find that kind of suckers.

Last but not least we have Hargis again, post Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:44 pm:

See Kola and the laughable nonsense about Sobibor further demolished here:

'Mass graves found at Nazi camp [?]'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1194

Piece of cake.

I’d say the only thing "demolished" on that thread was any reasonable reader's expectation that "Revisionist" howlers might have any substantial arguments against a renowned archaeologist’s statements about archaeological findings that exactly match what all documentary and eyewitness evidence tell us about the mass murder at Sobibor. Hargis’ own part in this "demolishing" (see his post of Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:21 pm) was an especially hilarious showpiece of imbecility, which I would love to discuss with him here on VNN.

When are you going to forward my invitation for Mr. "Piece of cake" Hargis to come over here, Mr. Gerdes? I feel like having some more fun.


3rd update, 26.07.2008, 15:08 hours GMT

"Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge"

Thanks to my new friend Greg Gerdes, another cowardly "Revisionist" charlatan, Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis has been given the opportunity to indulge in another of his mendacious victory dances. See the Cesspit thread Muehlenkamp accepts nafcash's challenge.

I actually did accept that challenge, and it’s not a big deal, as I wrote in my post # 596 of the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka:

Nothing to make a fuss about, actually. I’ve become so interested in the subsoil of these camps, especially Sobibor, that I intend to find out as much as I can about it for this reason already. If I can get my findings published in Archeology or Skeptic magazine, or at least co-author an article in one of those publications, that would be great. And if doing so furthermore forces an intellectual midget and lowly piece of scum to pay me 100,000 dollars, that would be the icing on the cake.

My comments to both Gerdes’ and Hannover’s rambling on the above-mentioned CODOH thread can be read in posts nos. 734, 739 and 740 of the VNN thread also mentioned above.

Greg Gerdes and Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis are some of the most mendacious, hysterical and cowardly true believers in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land (though of course they have stiff competition). It is therefore quite amusing to see these two showpieces of "Revisionist" imbecility and intellectual dishonesty chatting with each other – moreover about someone who, as both of them know, has no access to the forum where their conversation is taking place.

That’s "Revisionism" in all it’s splendor, folks!

Update, 20.07.2008, 11:08 hours GMT

Regarding the latest of Gerdes on CODOH, see my post # 750 on the VNN thread Archeological Investigations of Treblinka.

For a better idea of what Gerdes is all about, see also posts nos. 743 to 747 on the same thread.

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