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Firstly, Hargis made a false comparison between Sobibor and labour camps:
People died from a variety of causes during the war; in the work camps disease was the prime cause. No indication of murder here, just graves that contained some cremated bodies (important with contagious diseases).The dishonesty of this claim can be demonstrated by the fact that, later in the thread, Hargis quoted this passage from Mark Weber:
In a letter dated July 15, 1943, the head of the SS concentration camp system, Oswald Pohl, explained to Himmler that a center for dismantling captured Soviet ammunition could be set up at Sobibor without having to transform it into a concentration camp. Sobibor would remain a transit camp with a special section for dismantling ammunition.Hargis therefore set up a contradiction that he could not explain: if Sobibor remained a transit camp for its full period of existence, and only had a labour component for a maximum of three months between Pohl's letter of July 1943 and the camp's liquidation in October 1943, how did a mass grave full of hundreds of thousands of typhus-infested Jews manage to appear in such a short period?
Secondly, Hargis claimed that the bullets found by Kola in his 2001 investigation at Sobibor probably came from the ammunition camp. However this is simply ignorance. Arad showed here that the ammunition conversion camp was a separate entity - 'Camp 4' - in the northern part of the Sobibor site. The cartridges found by Kola were in the 'hospital' barracks, nowhere near the ammunition camp.
Thirdly, Hargis chose to read the word 'hospital' literally, despite the fact that it is clear from the literature that the 'hospital' was a euphemism for the place where the sick and disabled arrivals were taken to be shot if they were too infirm to walk to the gas chambers. The discovery of cartridges at this specific location is powerful corroboration of the eyewitness testimony given at the Sobibor trial.
Fourthly, Hargis, incredibly, asked:
gas chambers?This was an outright lie. Hargis must have known that Fuchs gave detailed descriptions to the Sobibor trial of gassing using a petrol engine.
Where's the evidence for this?
Fifthly, Hargis showed his antisemitic colours:
Jews were predominant victims? So typical.Finally, Hargis repeated the lie originally told by Graf, which we noted in this blog:
According to alleged eyewitness, Alexander Pechersky, gassings at Sobibor took place via a black heavy substance which exited in spirals from holes in the roof. Then the floor of the gas chamber opened up, and the bodies fell directly into wagons placed in the basement.Pechersky was not an eyewitness. His account was hearsay. The fact that Hargis had to repeat this lie from another denier demonstrates just what a sad antisemite he really is.
4 comments:
JH,
Referencing your Hargis post:
Hargis therefore set up a contradiction that he could not explain: if Sobibor remained a transit camp for its full period of existence, and only had a labour component for a maximum of three months between Pohl's letter of July 1943 and the camp's liquidation in October 1943, how did a mass grave full of hundreds of thousands of typhus-infested Jews manage to appear in such a short period?
You seem to be parsing this rather finely to make your non-point so, in the same theme, can you explain to me how do you know that this mass grave contained Jews?
The human nose is largely made of cartlidge -- which would decay faster than bone -- so I would assume that that was not the method used to identify them as Jews.
Also, is it not normal to bury dead bodies?
Thank you in advance.
Butch
Nazi transport records show large numbers of Jews being sent to Sobibor but very few of them being transported from the camp. Perpetrators testified and admitted to gassing operations there, most notably at the Sobibor trial in West Germany. They also testified that the bodies were cremated.
Arad's "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. The Operation Reinhard Death Camps" is the standard secondary text if you're genuinely interested in reading about these details.
JH,
According to Arad [Yitzhak Arad, The Operation Reinhard Death Camps, p. 379], 250,000 people (I’m guessing he means Jews and otherwise) perished at Sobibor, presumably by gassing. Martin Gilbert comes to this same conclusion. Hilberg estimates 250,000.
But in your essay, you state:
Hargis therefore set up a contradiction that he could not explain: if Sobibor remained a transit camp for its full period of existence, and only had a labour component for a maximum of three months between Pohl's letter of July 1943 and the camp's liquidation in October 1943, how did a mass grave full of hundreds of thousands of typhus-infested Jews manage to appear in such a short period?
Should I assume that these “Typhus-infested Jews” died of gassing or of typhus?
Hundreds of thousands of Typhus-infested Jews found in mass graves at Sobibor and 200,000 deaths as estimated by Arad seems to add up to zero. Plus you state in your reply that “very few” (but some) were transported from the camp.
Using worst case scenario (i.e. Hilberg’s estimate of 250,000) and defining “very few” as 50,000, could we assume that no gassing took place and that Typhus was the culprit?
Possibly you could provide the primary source as opposed to Arad which you refer to as a secondary source.
Butch
Butch, you misread the blog. I was referring to CODOH's claim that the people in the grave could have died of typhus. I was not endorsing that claim. My point was that deniers usually claim that Sobibor was a transit camp, not a labour camp, so typhus does even not fit their own model, let alone the evidence summarised in Arad's book.
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